Core Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 My wife has a co-worker who has been hunting for many years. He takes safety seriously and "always" uses a harness--though apparently not yesterday. Yesterday while setting up a two-person stand (which tells me it was a ladder stand), he fell and has suffered multiple breaks to his lower legs. As far as I know his back and head are good to go. I wish I had more specifics. The purpose of this thread is to remind people to take falling very seriously. It sounds to me like this guy is generally responsible and takes safety seriously, but obviously slipped up on that a bit yesterday. I know some people here still don't uses harnesses, though I'm sure most of you do. If you don't, you are flirting with disaster. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckmaster7600 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 There is a point when your setting up a ladder stand where you are playing odds. This is the exact reason why I will not set up a ladder stand alone. Having someone at the bottom holding the stand to the tree is very important.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted September 15, 2016 Author Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said: There is a point when your setting up a ladder stand where you are playing odds. This is the exact reason why I will not set up a ladder stand alone. Having someone at the bottom holding the stand to the tree is very important. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I've never set a ladder stand up, but when thinking about buying one recently this is basically why I decided against it. Just seemed kind of risky to do alone. This guy did have a buddy with him, for what it's worth. Edited September 15, 2016 by Core Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I have to say I do all mine alone...you bring in extra ratchet straps and make yourself a grappling type hook...swing the ratchet strap around the tree and grab end with hook and ratchet...climb a bit and repeat each strap you set going up tightens the stand to the tree. I always have one to secure platform to tree then the seat and chain as well...then I remove the ones I do not need on the way back down...legs are secured to rebar stake before I start to climb. That all said.... slow and steady ,use your brains and strap up going up and down...be safe out there guys 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pygmy Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Bummer....I hope the fellow recovers from his injuries... Those "gravity attacks" are a bitch... I have always managed to avoid them, but a number of my friends have had them.. Fortunately none of them were seriously injured, but they certainly could have been. One guy was about 20 feet up ( no harness) and he suffered a fainting spell...He woke up lying on the ground at the base of the tree right NEXT to a rock pile..Fortunately he suffered only scrapes and bruises. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
growalot Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 That right there is my biggest fear...passing out...though now I drink gallons of water a day...so many other things as we age can cause them....it's why I hook my harness to what ever I climb on a rung and arms length above me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob-c Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I always set my ladder stands up with a aluminum extension ladder, ladder stand gets leaned against tree and I go up the back side of the tree with my extension ladder . It's way more stable..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneam2006 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Speedy recovery to the guy....setting up stands is probably one of the most dangerous things we do as hunters.Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcollaco Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I had a neighbor who was paralyzed from the neck down. Wooden treestand collapsed, and he wasn't wearing a harness. With two kids and the wife waiting at home, I'm always strapped to the tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chas0218 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 (edited) Guys the ladder stands come with those "Guide ropes" for a reason. You are supposed to wrap them behind the tree and back to the ladder for a reason. You shouldn't be just propping it against the tree then climbing. I can see how someone would fall without a harness if he didn't make it up the tree before he could tie off. Glad he made it out with only a few broken bones, a lot worse could have happened. Word to the wise, use those straps! Edited September 15, 2016 by chas0218 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApexerER Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I am guilty of not always wearing a harness. It depends on the stand for me which I guess is stupid. When i sit in my Double stand alone with a platform that goes all the way back to the tree I usually don't wear my harness. If i sit in a stand that is just a small seat and platform then i do...When we set up a ladder stand we do it with three guys. We attach a rope to each side of the top of the stand and one guys stands pulling the ropes holding the stand against the tree. Then one guy on the ladder and one guy climbs. I put 5 ratchet straps on my ladder stand I just put up and my buddies were making fun of me. I said I want to know that if my ladder is ripped off for some reason I will be sitting here like it is a hang on.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjb4900 Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I could see how a ladder stand may give someone a false sense of security as opposed to a climbing stand or a hang on..........been guilty of that myself a time or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 Hope he heals well and fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zag Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 I'll be honest I don't use any harness, heck I just hung a ladder stand by myself using just the metal brace. I know know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will_C Posted September 15, 2016 Share Posted September 15, 2016 We always hang ours with 2 or 3 guys. My. Rotherham has a collapsible ladder which is a great help. We have also tie the stand to an ATV or tractor sometimes. Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fasteddie Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I have put up almost all of them alone . And , like Chase said , the stands come with ropes that attach to the seat platform and get criss crossed behind the tree and fastened to the ladder before climbing to strap the top section to the tree ( after the support bar is attached ) . There are only two stands where I don't wear a safety harness . One is a 6' high platform stand with a hub blind on top . The other is a permanent stand that has a railing all the way around it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cabin Fever Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) A few years ago, I was out checking cams, I decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and check stands while I was out. I always wore a safety vest, but since I didn't plan on checking stands that day, I didn't have it.... Long story short, I fell 20' and broke my right foot in 3 places (my foot took most of the impact falling straight down). I had multiple surgeries over the next couple of years. This is a pic after the last surgery. Foot and ankle so swollen it looks like they could bust open! Looked like an elephants foot! ALL because I was in a hurry and I thought, "It's just one time and I'll be careful. I know how lucky I was, but believe me, I suffered for years! Do yourselves and your family a favor and wear those safety harnesses!!! Accidents happen!! Trust me, it's NOT worth it!! Edited September 16, 2016 by Cabin Fever 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paula Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 4 minutes ago, Cabin Fever said: A few years ago, I was out checking cams, I decided to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and check stands while I was out. I always wore a safety vest, but since I didn't plan on checking stands that day, I didn't have it.... Long story short, I fell 20' and broke my right foot in 3 places (my foot took most of the impact falling straight down). I had multiple surgeries over the next couple of years. This is a pic after the last surgery. Foot and ankle so swollen it looks like they could bust open! Looked like an elephants foot! ALL because I was in a hurry and I thought, "It's just one time and I'll be careful. I know how lucky I was, but believe me, I suffered for years! Do yourselves and your family a favor and wear those safety harnesses!!! Accidents happen!! I still remember the first time you told your story. For that I think safety always! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtTime Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 Too many variables when putting up or using a stand to not wear a harness. Even a 3 foot fall can break bones or worse of you land on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 1 hour ago, ....rob said: Too many variables when putting up or using a stand to not wear a harness. Even a 3 foot fall can break bones or worse of you land on something. That's what I told my wife! At our age (i.e. not children) anything more than about three feet and stuff starts to break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJC Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 12 hours ago, Core said: My wife has a co-worker who has been hunting for many years. He takes safety seriously and "always" uses a harness--though apparently not yesterday. Yesterday while setting up a two-person stand (which tells me it was a ladder stand), he fell and has suffered multiple breaks to his lower legs. As far as I know his back and head are good to go. I wish I had more specifics. The purpose of this thread is to remind people to take falling very seriously. It sounds to me like this guy is generally responsible and takes safety seriously, but obviously slipped up on that a bit yesterday. I know some people here still don't uses harnesses, though I'm sure most of you do. If you don't, you are flirting with disaster. Well I No A Guy who Died falling Using A Stand This Guy Been Hunting for over 30 years . And that's why I don't bother with them anymore I have taken and no plenty of people who have taken plenty of deer even big bucks from the ground . Obviously it not as easy but I would rather not be dead or mess up taking a chance with a stand something I use to do when I was younger. I gave up on them . Btw hanging from a harness probably is not going to feel to great either . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Core Posted September 16, 2016 Author Share Posted September 16, 2016 7 minutes ago, LJC said: Btw hanging from a harness probably is not going to feel to great either . Yep, I've heard this as well. The old types could choke you out in no time. The newer multi-point are better, but still not fun at all to hang there. At least with steps of some kind you have a chance to use those. I still need to practice a technique to descend if I find the bottom go out on my climber and I'm stuck hanging. I assume the guy you know wasn't using a harness...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJC Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Core said: Yep, I've heard this as well. The old types could choke you out in no time. The newer multi-point are better, but still not fun at all to hang there. At least with steps of some kind you have a chance to use those. I still need to practice a technique to descend if I find the bottom go out on my climber and I'm stuck hanging. I assume the guy you know wasn't using a harness...? Hmm you know I really don't no if he had one on it happend about 4 years ago he was a cop you would think he knows better . Let's say you have a harness u survive the fall but cant get down dying from exposure a slow death is worse to me like being crucified. Alot of places you hunt don't have cell service and that's if you can get to your phone . Like I said when I was younger and thought I was going to live for ever I used them not anymore iv almost fallen off them by falling asleep on those things a few times Edited September 16, 2016 by LJC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyslowhand Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 (edited) At least as of a couple years ago there were a couple great videos on youtube about how to recover from a fall while using a harness. Most important was to have a screw-in step in your harness's pocket so you can take the weight off the straps that go around your groin area as you're dangling. That definitely will cut off the blood circulation to those femoral arteries. Also on youtube were great videos of how to recover from climber/hang-on disasters! Going up a ladder stand once it's upright, oriented and platform level as possible, can be unnerving w/o any ratchet straps installed. What I've found that works best is to put the horiz brace in place and secure with a long ratchet strap criss-crossed around the tree. Then the long lashing ropes are run around the tree from the platform, down to the lower ladder section and tied taught. BTW - Throw away that string the mfger includes with the stand and invest in some substantial camo rope to lash the stand to the tree. Edited September 16, 2016 by nyslowhand Added 1st ladder stand ascend 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LJC Posted September 16, 2016 Share Posted September 16, 2016 I'm 6'2 279 ib how do you think my groin is going to feel even if I fall even only 3 feet in that harNess or my ribs or any part of me that smacks that tree when u fall usually things happen when you least expect it . I gave that up when I got older . At least when your younger you recover faster from accidents like that. You don't think about it anyway . When you get older different story . Good luck and watch your self be safe really think about every move you make when your 20' up a tree . If you decide to use them . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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