who thinks this was a fair election?

[phantom]

When you have a election both sides need to trust the system , it needs to be fair and  transparent   . To do that you need universal voter ID laws  and in person  voting  , unless you are military  overseas 

the way it was done this time with almost more people doing the  mail in voting with no ID , THEN IN PERSON ,  most reasonable people will not trust the outcome no matter which side wins  when its close like this .

can you be on a jury with out showing up at court  ?  nope  so why is voting any  different ?  To lazy to get off the couch  is not a excuse  to not vote in person and frankly  those types probably should  not be voting anyway . 

 

 

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[BowmanMike]

I do,or as close as we can get to one with all the republican voter registration suppression efforts.

[rooster85]

I do,or as close as we can get to one with all the republican voter registration suppression efforts.

Like what?


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[Grouse]

An enumeration of any type of voter suppression efforts would be very debatable.

Overwhelming the system with illegal ballots is the most effective way to suppress legal votes.

This was not a fair election.  This was the most corrupt election in the history of the US.

[Grouse]

From John Bastiat:

Fortunately, it's not in President Trump's character to roll over and take it, or else none of these despicable acts of voter fraud would have seen the light of day. But the real problem he has exposed, albeit indirectly, is one of philosophy. As a generalization, Republicans see government as a necessary evil and involve themselves in it only to the extent required by their civic duty. They're out working, raising families, living meaningful lives, and providing others the space and opportunity to live their own lives in peace and freedom. In contrast, Democrats view government as a vehicle to implement change, to "make the world a better place," and to solve every perceived societal problem — regardless of the actual will of the people.

As a result, Democrats throng to government-associated venues while Republicans generally eschew them, beyond the basics — national defense, the courts, public works, and the like. That means a lot more volunteers and workers from among the Democrat ranks are likely to be found administering activities like balloting, polling, and all things political than from their counterparts among Republican ranks. But since the Democrat Party has become totally coopted by the Left, and since the Left's most fundamental goal is power — not truth, integrity, or any other competing attribute — the ascendant motto of these government-knows-best acolytes has become, If you're not cheating, you're not trying hard enough!

[steve863]

16 minutes ago, Grouse said:

 

Fortunately, it's not in President Trump's character to roll over and take it, or else none of these despicable acts of voter fraud would have seen the light of day.

 

When the hell did Trump think any election was fair?   He even bitched about losing out on emmy awards for his reality show calling that system "rigged".   He was calling the primaries "rigged" back when he first ran in 2016 and every election since then.  Like I said in another thread.  A swindler thinks everyone else is a swindler and that everyone is out to get him.  That's part of his psychosis and you guys buy into it hook, line and sinker.  

If there were any election irregularities, miscounts or whatever in this election I highly doubt it will change the result of this election.  He now lost the popular vote both times so he has little to complain about.  If he would have won all those votes some of you claimed he'd get before the election there'd be no arguments here, but obviously he fell far short.

 

 

 

[Uncle Nicky]

There was something funny going on this time, no doubt. And in all fairness, things were pretty shady back in 2000 when Bush Jr. was eventually called the eventual winner.

No question in my mind that voter reform is needed in the US. The question that nags at me, is is the level of corruption so deep in Washington that anything will ever be done about it? I don't oppose online or mail-in voting PROVIDED there is a system in place that assures only people who are alive & eligible to vote get 1 ballot; if that isn't practical, then we should only allow in-person voting backed up by a valid ID.

[Grouse]

And I suppose Trump's psychosis was what made him think he was under attack from the day he started campaigning in 2016 until today?

[Bigfoot 327]

We have close friends from Tioga PA that were denied the opportunity to vote. Their absentee ballots (they are snowbirds) never made it to them in Florida. They repeatedly checked with their board of elections and post offices to no avail. Don't know if the ballots were lost or stolen. With no signature verification, they could have been used by anyone. Voting by mail is a horrible idea. Didn't know until this election that 5% of all US Mail doesn't make it to it's destination.

[steve863]

5 minutes ago, Grouse said:

And I suppose Trump's psychosis was what made him think he was under attack from the day he started campaigning in 2016 until today?

 

I will agree with you that he was under attack.  CNN, and all the other liberal networks could never say anything positive about him.  The problem was that he opened himself up for many of these attacks with his stupid comments and childish behavior.  Plus, he is an instigator with everyone where he thinks he needs to get the last word in and knows more than everyone else on every topic.  Lets not even get into all the bragging and self-adulation that comes from his mouth.  The media will come after you if you don't give them anything to come after you for.  With Trump, he gave them plenty of reasons to mock him.  So whose fault was that??

 

 

[Daveboone]

 Each vote = one registered voter. Simple math. More votes than voters, problem.

Trump paid how much in taxes? And you worry about fair? 

The presidential idiot publicly told his followers NOT to use mail in voting, etc. So they didn't.  How many didn't vote for him because they wouldn't/couldn't go out?  Democrats clearly won a number of states on the strength of the mail in /early voting. This is one of the easiest examples of how Trumps leadership failed.

[Grouse]

And they ignored all of the reasons to praise him.  Who's fault was that?

[Grouse]

5 minutes ago, Daveboone said:

 Each vote = one registered voter. Simple math. More votes than voters, problem.

Trump paid how much in taxes? And you worry about fair? 

The presidential idiot publicly told his followers NOT to use mail in voting, etc. So they didn't.  How many didn't vote for him because they wouldn't/couldn't go out?  Democrats clearly won a number of states on the strength of the mail in /early voting. This is one of the easiest examples of how Trumps leadership failed.

Trump got more votes than any prior presidential candidate.  Trump voters came out in droves because they knew what they were up against, massive fraud.

 

[rooster85]

 Each vote = one registered voter. Simple math. More votes than voters, problem.
Trump paid how much in taxes? And you worry about fair? 
The presidential idiot publicly told his followers NOT to use mail in voting, etc. So they didn't.  How many didn't vote for him because they wouldn't/couldn't go out?  Democrats clearly won a number of states on the strength of the mail in /early voting. This is one of the easiest examples of how Trumps leadership failed.

Did he say not to use mail in ballots or did he say there’s no reason not to vote in person?
Who couldn’t go out and vote? Telling people they can’t vote in person sounds like voter suppression.


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[squirrelwhisperer]

The dems cheated. End of story.


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[phantom]

45 minutes ago, Daveboone said:

 Each vote = one registered voter. Simple math. More votes than voters, problem.

Trump paid how much in taxes? And you worry about fair? 

The presidential idiot publicly told his followers NOT to use mail in voting, etc. So they didn't.  How many didn't vote for him because they wouldn't/couldn't go out?  Democrats clearly won a number of states on the strength of the mail in /early voting. This is one of the easiest examples of how Trumps leadership failed.

you can toss in the trash mail in votes from areas you know are red or blue and rig it in so many  other ways with mail in junk its not even funny print off 10 20 30 thousands fakes   mix  them in  with the  over a million real ones  now you try and find which ones are counterfeit  when those will be less then 1 percent but make the difference in many of these elections . then there is the software  

  

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[eaglemountainman]

I stand with the President against the illegitimacy, the corruption, the fraud and the deceit that is the Democratic party. 

[BowmanMike]

Haha,conspiracies and cheating everywhere you look. You guys will have a tough four years ahead. 

Does anyone have any evidence? Oh,hearsay or what the don says is enough for most of you fellas. Must be nice going through life like that.

[nybuckboy]

3 hours ago, steve863 said:

 

I will agree with you that he was under attack.  CNN, and all the other liberal networks could never say anything positive about him.  The problem was that he opened himself up for many of these attacks with his stupid comments and childish behavior.  Plus, he is an instigator with everyone where he thinks he needs to get the last word in and knows more than everyone else on every topic.  Lets not even get into all the bragging and self-adulation that comes from his mouth.  The media will come after you if you don't give them anything to come after you for.  With Trump, he gave them plenty of reasons to mock him.  So whose fault was that??

 

 

Its like I said in another post I started. He is an AHole with a big mouth and it caught up with him. He can't keep his mouth shut and like you stated above - he's an instigator, a braggart and it's all about him and his self-adulation and is never wrong and has to have the last word. 

[phantom]

1 hour ago, BowmanMike said:

Haha,conspiracies and cheating everywhere you look. You guys will have a tough four years ahead. 

Does anyone have any evidence? Oh,hearsay or what the don says is enough for most of you fellas. Must be nice going through life like that.

that's why you need a investigation if dems are against the  investigation  then you already know the answer .  rigging already has been found the question is if they can discover all of it and was it enough to change the election results   .

ps don't think  that trump will not run again in 2024   he will watch .   biden can't hide in the basement for 4 years lol 

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[left field]

Your question is: who thinks this was a fair election?

These people for 28.

No Evidence of Systematic Fraud in U.S. Elections, International Observer Mission Reports

Quote

A team of international observers invited by the Trump administration has issued a preliminary report giving high marks to the conduct of last week’s elections--and it criticizes President Trump for making baseless allegations that the outcome resulted from systematic fraud.

A 28-member delegation from the Organization of American States followed events in several locations across the U.S., including in the battleground states of Georgia and Michigan, both remotely and with observers at polling stations and counting centers.

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/trump-biden-election-day-2020/card/XhlCZ4avYQb0jtdv7F3p

[Grouse]

[Grouse]

[cachemoney]

Finally, some evidence of wrongdoing. 

https://whobserver.com/house-democrats-say-pa-postal-worker-retracts-ballot-tampering-claim/

 

 

https://www.goerie.com/story/news/2020/11/09/erie-postmaster-calls-claims-mishandled-ballots-100-false/6221116002/

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removed paywall link

[phantom]

16 minutes ago, cachemoney said:

Finally, some evidence of wrong doing : 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-fabricated-ballot-pennsylvania/2020/11/10/99269a7c-2364-11eb-8599-406466ad1b8e_story.html

 

https://www.goerie.com/story/news/2020/11/09/erie-postmaster-calls-claims-mishandled-ballots-100-false/6221116002/

The democrat's will  suicide  anyone who rats on their  election rigging  probably they want to win that bad 

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