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You may have heard on the news about a Southern California man who was put under 72-hour psychiatric observation when it was found he owned 100 guns and allegedly had 100,000 rounds of ammunition stored in his home. The house also featured a secret escape tunnel. By Southern California standards, someone owning 100,000 rounds is considered "mentally unstable." In Michigan, he'd be called "The last white guy still living in Detroit.” In Arizona, he'd be called "an avid gun collector." In Arkansas, he'd be called "a novice gun collector." In Utah, he'd be called "moderately well prepared," but they'd probably reserve judgment until they made sure that he had a corresponding quantity of stored food." In Kansas, he'd be "A guy down the road you would want to have for a friend.” In Montana, he'd be called "The neighborhood 'Go-To' guy." In Alabama, he'd be called "a likely gubernatorial candidate." In Georgia, he'd be called "an eligible bachelor." In North Carolina, Virginia, Mississippi, Minnesota, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, Tennessee, Kentucky and South Carolina he would be called "a deer hunting buddy." And in Texas he'd just be "Billy Bob, who's a little short on ammo."

I just happen to come across this while reading last night Curmudgeon definition: "A Curmudgeon's reputation for malevolence is undeserved. They're neither warped nor evil at heart. They don't hate mankind....just mankind's absurdities. They're just as sensitive and soft-hearted as the next guy, but they hide thier vulnerability beneath a crust of misanthropy. They ease the pain by turning hurt into humor. They attack maudlinism because it devalues genuine sentiment. Nature, having failed to equip them with a serviceable denial mechanism, has endowed them with astute perception and sly wit. Curmudgeons are mockers and debunkers whose bitterness is a symptom rather than a disease. They can't compromise their standards and can't manage the suspension of disbelief necessary for feigned cheerfulness. Their awareness is a curse. Perhaps Curmudgeons have gotten a bad rap in the same way the messenger is blamed for the message. They have the temerity to comment on the human condition without apology. They not only refuse to applaud mediocrity, they howl it down with morose glee. Their versions of the truth unsettle us, and we hold it against them, even though they soften it with humor."

Barnett quad 400...came with everything broadheads too can't wait to shoot it....traded a shotgun for it hope I get t use it.......full inclusion be nice but I'm also looking to upgrade my compound bow also as I enjoy that too....

Spoken like someone that has never been shot at...

Moved cam position because of trail...so they decided to make a new trail...lol Gottcha any ways...looking healthy so far...still hitting turnips in the soybeans. The second pic they have been hitting the clover plots/trails hard, but really hitting all the dog wood bushes...that one clump I allowed a wild grape to grow in....Third...just a nice big deer....The date is wrong...forgot to fix when I changed the batteries...mid Jan. 2015. will need to get the junk trees cut soon...they have nipped all the brush and apple branches they can reach....

I drove a farm truck at 10, shot my first rabbit at about the same age. Both happen to be he fondest memories I have with my dad and grandfather respectively. I will admit both to a court of questioned too. I also rode a four wheeler that say operators should be 16 and older at a lesser age and used a hammer without goggles as described on the safety sticker to post my land and build wood duck boxes for years. If you are going to say that's lawlessness you're right. If you are going to say you're always in compliance you're wrong. Shouldn't be published- but it shouldn't be illegal either. In our world, state and NY hunting culture you're missing the boat if this is your issue. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Why is it that every time something about gun confiscation comes up so many people make excuses as to as to why it was the right thing to do? Every one likes to say must be more to the story and then gives reasons for why it might not have been wrong. We do not know for sure if that is the whole story or not. It might just be that the story is just what is written. If anyone believes that this does not happen without an good reason then you are blind. I have seen people who locked himself in his house [where there guns] with his wife and threaten to kill himself. When he was talked out he went to jail. Funny thing is when he got he kept his guns lost the wife but not the guns. I have also seen someone lose there guns for argueing with there wife and she got mad and called cops. His guns were taken because the court felt he was dangerous. I know for a fact it was only a shouting match and nothing dangerous was said or done but because she wanted to see someone else and for him to be gone and she look like the good guy in the break up she said she was afraid of him. I was there when this happened but the courts took her word. The fact that this guy was a firemen and disabled means nothing. I am a firemen and have known many who were as crooked as the day is long. How a person looks and acts in public can be very different from them in person. Same with leo or military. Not a knock on them at all as I fall in one of these groups however these things do not mean you are a top grade person. Funny how everyone screams foul about the safe act but when someone has there guns taken away the first thing that is said is there must be more to it they wouldnt do that for no reason. WAKE UP PEOPLE these laws give them the right to take your guns just because thy want to they need no reason. I can not believe all the excuses being given for this possable being right. Maybe it was the right thing and there was a right reason but to think that it will always be the owners fault when they are taken is blindly fallowing like sheep. Yes if we do not like the laws we can move to where these laws do not exist. However if we just keep moveing these laws just keep getting passed. People have to stop running and stand and fight or we will run out of places where we are still free. If that is what we are now. If we keep ignoring these things soon they will have what they want and that is all the guns and all the power. Powerless people are easy to control. Keep thinking they do not want all the guns and one day you will wake upwith none and wounder how this happened. That is when people like V J P will be able to say you were told this would happen. Oh and who cares how many or what kind of threads someone posts? If you dont like them do not read or post to them. Why cry about someone trying to open your eyes? If you wish to stay blind then stay blind.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/scientists-tumor-causing-virus-widespread-wild-turkeys-28324797 http://www.outdoorlife.com/blogs/strut-zone/2013/04/turkey-virus-alert-new-york-and-maine-older article, but has a photo showing the outward signs. It has since been confirmed in NY. http://www.earthisland.org/journal/index.php/elist/eListRead/a_new_virus_is_attacking_us_wild_turkey_populations/- Also older, but has a much more through understanding of the virus. In a nutshell, wild turkey populations in NY state, and likely many other states, are carrying this virus. I study similar retroviruses in domestic chickens and can confirm that based on my knowledge, and the research out there on LPDV, that it is an easily transmittable virus that remains in latency (dormancy, if you will) and only produces symptoms in individuals that for whatever reason are either genetically weak or have a reduced immunity to the virus. The virus does not often cause mortality in these individuals, but instead causes a weakened immune system, which is an open door for other problems to move in (ailments that an otherwise healthy turkey would have no problem fighting off). As an RNA virus, once a bird 'catches' it, the virus copies itself and remains in the birds system forevermore, and periodically causes shedding of the virus, causing either horizontal transmission (bird to bird) and/or vertical (parent passes it on to the chick through the egg... vertical transmission is somewhat more rare). So, a large number of birds may be infected but may not show signs and may live full, healthy and otherwise normal lives. If you take a turkey with outward signs, it could be LPDV or pox (neither is contagious to humans) and the DEC is interested in testing so you may want to notify them. I'm mostly posting this here so folks know about it and know what it might be, if they see it.

This is exactly the issue here. How can you deny an American citizen a Constitutional right without due process? If no charges were ever filed to take away his 2nd Amendment right to possess firearms, taking them violates his rights. This is what worries me most about America today. Average citizens have no idea what they're rights are and assume they are granted to them by government, when in reality, they were born with them and cannot have them taken without due process. If we allow our rights to be unconstitutionally violated, we are giving them up voluntarily and they can never be regained. That's why, when we hear of cases like this, it is wiser to make the government the party that has to prove they are not guilty of violating someone's rights.

Don't you just love the way these laws are written up ..... lol. Go ahead and shoot, and we will determine on a case by case basis whether we will arrest you or not. Hope you guessed right, Bunky.

No, Belo gets it, but he's given up on fighting it in NY State.

You are free to vote on anything that you feel you must, but keep in mind that this forum is not a democracy. Be careful what you ask for. You too might find yourself on the other end of that kind of vote.

This is why NY gun laws are as bad as they are. Many NY gun owners just don't think they are bad, don't care about them, or are just oblivious to the encroachment. Carry on. Besides, nobody makes you read any of them. Why would you want to prevent equality of forum use because you disagree with the opinions of another member? That equality thing seems to be a problem with some residents of NY as well.

You're right, the sky is not falling. But it's slowly being obscured from view by a cloud of oppression.

Neighbors can call the cops when they hear you yelling. I'm amazed by NY gun owners who always think taking away someone's guns was justified, instead of part of a political agenda. I guess that's why NY has the unconstitutional gun laws it has. Forgot to point out - if there is more to it, why has it been a year with absolutely no charges filed?

Well the extension of bow hunting on LI into January is done. I think I am finally warming up from yesterdays hunt, WOW was that cold! I can't say I hit the woods very hard because most of my hunting grounds where shotgun only in January and a couple of colds kicked my but. I was able to get 2 more days in a spot with a 160+ class buck roaming the area but never got a shot at him. I jumped 3 deer heading in yesterday and had one doe at 15 yards two weeks before but was not able to get a ethical shot off as she was on the move and caught me by surprise before I was set up. I am thankful for a fun season and that it is finally over! This season kicked my but!!! That guy Murphy and his laws showed his face a few times too many. I hunted Otis Pike most of the bow season because it has very few deer in it like up North in the ADK. Rocky point the few times I hunted it showed a vast difference in population vs Otis Pike and I think I will hunt that area more next year as it seems to need population control. The private land I hunted was great with many sightings, wish I could hunt that area more but I am only a guest. Hope everyone had a great season! Personally I am happy its over as I burned the candle on both ends. Almost makes me want to jump on the (Shorten the season.) bandwagon but I enjoy being out too much for that. Ok time to go shoot the bow, then get ready for another snow storm.

Cuomo says you only need 7 rounds. Can I sue him if I needed more?

Except for ones high on meth or some other substance. And then there was a recent case of a Vet with PTSD, who smashed his way into a home, despite verbal warnings that a gun was present. He was eventually shot, but survived. He had some kind of mental episode and was not in full control of his actions. Jihadists are known for amping up on drugs and epinephrine before battle or suicide attacks so they can be shot but continue to advance. It's an ancient tactic. Might be coming to a neighborhood near you.

If it makes you rest any easier Philo will try not to see his shadow. If anybody tries to drag me out of my house, though, all bets are off.

So much of the US Constitution was stepped on in the passing of the SAFE Act that it's hard to even begin to describe it. The right to due process is certainly one of them. It's almost easier to compile a list of basic Amercans' rights that weren't affected. Yet our elected officials take an oath to uphold those rights whenever they're sworn into office. Apparently they're 'just so many words' in a lot of cases. I worked for a boat builder years ago who also did some restoration work. After spending a few hours inspecting one of the restoration projects he said that the boat couldn't be fixed and that he would ask the owner if he wanted a new one built. The guys in the shop asked why the old one couldn't be fixed, and the reply was that the rot was just too deep.

With MY luck, I'd come back as a worm and my ex-wife would come back as a chicken....

They can legally take them temporarily. But they cannot take them and KEEP them for a YEAR, with no intention or timetable to return them, without due process.

Herb Darling and the late John Gordon would be happy to see this!

I think the biggest thing is there was not charges filed, so how can they justify taking his guns?

I PRAY you can't find a definition for a "Lawdwaz"................... The truth may be just too painful for me.

I will sleep better w dreams of booners knowing all the 3 pts are protected. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Happily did the survey and not surprised by results. Our average hunter is getting older and owns more orange than camo. I am a deer fanatic and would love to see more mature deer. Everything you think we have me pounding yes in those questions. Care to know what I want? More dec involvement. Yup- that's it. Fines and pen tallies that hurt poachers. Deer census and take monitoring (not this car accident, stopped by a processor, phone a robot crap) Zones that make sense Hunter interaction not a survey sent to 8000 of 450000 hunters. We pay a lot of money- far too much for the understaffed and incompetent organization we have telling us what's best per their pocket linings. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

None of your examples have anything to do with protecting a Constitutional right... if you start losing that right in one state, the rest of the states could fall behind it. And, WE didn't elect him... THEY did.. most of WE didn't even get out to vote and I'm betting because they have a similar thought process as you... I tend to give you a little bit of a pass though.. you're the same age as my sons and, like them, it isn't that you're not able to get it... you just have a lot to learn yet.

Great benefits and retirement packages…..why didn't I think of that! lol

Yeah, it must be cabin fever...Sorry, Growie...<< blush>>....

My wife telling me to move south making more sense every day.

That's kind of like saying everything has already been invented, so anything thought of from this point forward can't possibly work.

I hunt my friends property in Brunswick and it's less than 5 acres and maybe 1.5 of them are woods. been hunting there for 3 years now and have taken 5 deer and my girlfriend took 1, all with bow.luckily it borders 2 different farms and I have permission to retrieve my deer off their property. talk to the neighbors and make sure it's ok to track and drag deer off their property, ya never know, they might let you hunt there too!!! you don't need a ton of land as long as have deer moving through

my head hurts.

Best of luck in the next part of your career. At the very least you are getting time back in your day with that commute.

Belo - "For many, their shotgun or rifle and dad's old revolver are all they need." You really don't get it at all. Your shotgun or rifle will eventually be labeled as an assault rifle, or whatever else they have to classify it as, in order to villify & eventually ban it. Your dad's old revolver? forget about it. Also, I really don't think many gun owners are liberals. How many Toyota prius do you see with an NRA sticker right next to the obama one?

Mr VJP....The STUMPAGE report is where a bunch of old farts like you and me and a few others on this forum line up and drop our drawers for a photo. This is opposed to a TIMBER report ( sometimes called a WOODIE report) that we could have qualified for a few years ago when we were younger.

Exaggerate a little Belo? My posts have been few and far between these days. But I do agree that most members of this site don't care about gun rights in NY. I just can't resist trying to get them to care. Posting about gun rights on firearms sites isn't necessary, as that would be preaching to the choir.

Interesting bias that you have there against those people that have chosen an occupation where they put their life on the line for others. Kind of blindly all-encompassing and extremely ignorant, but interesting.

yeah, I had a heard of them come through my camp in the Catskills last year, they destroyed everything in their path.

Exactly! That is one of the most dangerous parts of the SAFE Act. Revoking the pistol permit can be done for NO reason, and all of your 2nd Amendment rights are taken with it. That's one of the reasons NY residents, and I mean ALL NY residents, should be so adamant about having the SAFE Act repealed. Rights should not be so easily removed from anyone! And if they do take all of your firearms for whatever reason, what legal recourse do you have to get them returned? if there is No legal method of recourse, that is clearly a violation of many constitutional rights.

First off, I've known perps to continue advancing on police officers after being shot, and many have continued to invade homes after being shot at. I do not know what "studies" you are referring to, but I doubt they are unbiased or peer reviewed. Blaming a home owner for not properly defending himself with his firearm is excusing the perps for the invasion. Next, owning a firearm for defense is a RIGHT. Owning and driving a car isn't. Mandatory anything is a deterrent. Making it harder for people to have a defensive firearm in the home simply means fewer people will have them and home invaders will be emboldened. That handgun can be used by anyone in the home when necessary. What if the wife was home and didn't have the training? Would she be prohibited from using the pistol to defend herself? "Gun Advocates" encourage training, but don't want it mandated. The stopping power is determined by shot placement. Maybe his shots were off. that's the point of the PSA. Who needs a large cap mag? Someone who misses a lot. I don't think I would kick someone in the face when they are holding a handgun.

Can we vote to limit vjp's new threads per day? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

We're all different but I have friends on the island with commutes like that. I can't understand it. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I hope the man wins his lawsuit and it costs Nassau County millions. Money has a way of curbing enthusiasm.

could it really be any simpler?

Let me tell ya...getting down to those chickens everyday has been a beeze with it....especially when I have to reload their "trash can" with another 100#'s of feed...use to drag everything down on a sled...Though... Thank Heavens Mr B. knows me well...for backing up down there, it was mighty slick and I hit a good sized tree hard...So the praying began " Oh dear Lord don't let it be the tail light"...LOL those extra heavy duty bumpers he ordered did the trick! Not even a scratch on them...though I may have shook a tooth or two loose...hahaha

My sister inlaw

All invasive species. Specifically rats, European sparrows, rock pigeons, mute swans, and non-migrating canada geese. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Big fan of my lever guns, especially my 444S. Been shooting a handloaded Hornady 265gr. FP exclusively for more than thirty years. The only knock I have with the Marlin is it's pencil-thin buttstock and drop. Felt recoil would be less if they fitted it with a decent buttstock. I don't notice the recoil afield with heavy loads but when practicing in the summer I do. I worked up some 240 gr. lead loads @ around 1,100 FPS that shoot to POA @ 25 yds. My BLR in .257 Roberts has taken a shine to 117 gr. -120 gr. bulletweights. I have yet to work up a lightweight bullet weight for varmints. I'll get around to it hopefully this summer. This gun and cartridge is a delight to shoot. A pre-war Savage 99R in .300 Savage. This only takes trips to the range but it's suprisingly accurate. Classic design and lines. It's a shame these are not popular now. And their prices only escalate.