Something I have been doing since I was a kid

[Buckmaster7600]

I know running shots can be a hot topic on here but my my buddy sent me this link and it's pretty cool to see others doing it as well. I like to use a steeper hill so the tire will bounce but you can get the point. Running shots are never easy but with practice you can become pretty proficient at them. I don't Facebook so I had to have my wife load it but hopefully the video will work.

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[coonhunter]

That's exactly how I learned many moons ago except the tire was faster and bouncing. Make sure of where your rounds are going.

 

[Buckmaster7600]

That's exactly how I learned many moons ago except the tire was faster and bouncing. Make sure of where your rounds are going.
 

Yup get them bouncing and it really becomes tough.


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[dbHunterNY]

joe gets some nice ones in deep from what i've seen.  typical adirondack state of mind right there.  shoot and keep shooting until it drops.  you don't track that far to let run farther and track some more.

second to last gun buck i've taken i double lunged with the first shot as he was chasing a doe below a ridge in full stride.  never slowed down until the follow up shot dropped him.  it was around 75 yards and the bullet holes were 2" apart when i skinned him out. i was happy but it wouldn't have happened without practice and scanning the timber in his path versus following him hoping a tree doesn't end up in the way.

[NFA-ADK]

Good way to test your ability.  Do you really think it's that bad Gringo?

[fasteddie]

Interesting video but personally I avoid running shots . Practicing takingthem makes good sense . 

[wolc123]

I mostly avoid running shots these days, but it does make sense to practice them a bit.  Many years ago, down at my buddy's southern-tier camp, we would run a cable down a hill between a couple trees and slide a deer-shaped piece of plywood, hung from a couple eyebolts.  Drives were the go-to technique down there, and running shots were common.

I practice hitting moving targets a lot these days from our deck with a bb gun, shooting at a beer can hung from a wire attached to the clip.  The length of the wire and the speed of the wind mostly controls the speed, as well as the impacts from previous hits.  This is about the cheapest way and most convenient way that I have found to get lots of practice.  It usually costs less than 10 cents to cut the cans in half, including the loss of the 5 cent deposite, and the cost of the bb's.    I modified my daughter's Daisy red-ryder with an adult-sized stock and "big-loop" to make it dimensionally similar to my new Marlin 336 BL.   Hopefully all that bb gun practice will pay off in the deer woods this fall.  

I have also practiced a bit with with the Marlin 30/30, by shooting gallon milk jugs filled with water, and plan to do a bit more from now until deer season.   They explode pretty good when hit with 170 grains of lead.   Maybe I will hang some of those in front of my big backstop and get them swinging to practice moving shots.  It would be cool to cut a seperate supporting string with a still shot (or several) from a rest , then pop the jug as it swings down.        

[chrisw]

Guy I know has an annual archery shoot set up at his house. About 20 targets throughout the woods, some you need to shoot through a pipe between you and the target, he usually always has a pendelum block and he always has a running buck (on a cable running down a hill) you'd be surprised how far you have to lead that damn thing and it's not even close to what a deer trots at. Even if it's not too practical it's still really fun to try. Last year he strung a cable across his pond, you were strapped into a safety harness 20' off the ground and as you zip across the pond you take a shot at a glendel buck 25 yds away. Again, not practical but you get 20 guys together and you can die laughing!

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[Buckmaster7600]

One day I will figure out how shooting a duck on the water or a pheasant on the ground isn't ethical but shooting a running deer is unethical. My shot to kill ration is a hell of a lot better at running deer than it is flying ducks and flying pheasant.


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[bugsNbows]

Dude needs to learn how to operate the bolt without lifting his head way off the stock. Wastin' time! 

[ATbuckhunter]

Running shots are the norm for Europe during their driven game hunts. Used to be a very common way of hunting here too. I used to know someone who shot better at a running deer than a standing one. Last buck I shot 2 years ago was running when I got him. I know I got lucky and scored a heart shot on him. 

[moog5050]

On ‎4‎/‎17‎/‎2017 at 8:28 AM, Buckmaster7600 said:

Yup get them bouncing and it really becomes tough.


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Which is pretty much like shooting at a bounding deer I imagine?  Never shot at a deer on the run.  I just ask nicely and they politely wait for me to shoot.

Edited August 7, 2017 by moog5050

[Doc]

I guess I was just taught a little differently, to pick a spot and deliver a quick humane kill. I avoid running shots, but have heard many of these kinds of shots of guys ripping out 5 shots as quickly as they possibly can. I suspect that most of them are blowing off legs or ponding holes in the middle of some of the best venison cuts, and I doubt very much if any of them know much about what or who may be in line with the last shots. I am not saying that people can't get very proficient at making such shots. I have seen trick shot artists do some very amazing things. However, I suspect there are far more that really aren't as good at it as they imagine they are.

On the other hand, I must say that it looks like a lot of fun for novelty shooting. I just don't want to be the guy stuck with rolling the targets back up the hill.....lol.

[Culvercreek hunt club]

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

I guess I was just taught a little differently, to pick a spot and deliver a quick humane kill. I avoid running shots, but have heard many of these kinds of shots of guys ripping out 5 shots as quickly as they possibly can. I suspect that most of them are blowing off legs or ponding holes in the middle of some of the best venison cuts, and I doubt very much if any of them know much about what or who may be in line with the last shots. I am not saying that people can't get very proficient at making such shots. I have seen trick shot artists do some very amazing things. However, I suspect there are far more that really aren't as good at it as they imagine they are.

On the other hand, I must say that it looks like a lot of fun for novelty shooting. I just don't want to be the guy stuck with rolling the targets back up the hill.....lol.

You ever have a deer take off running after you shoot it the first time? Ever have to track a wounded deer and have it jump up running? i can absolutely see a need to practice this. i grew up small game hunting  and most of that behind beagles and hounds. We drove deer when I was younger. Running shots at deer were common. That was how the hunting was done with my father and uncles. It was how they did it with theirs. I've put down quite a few running over the years. It really was in the drive set ups. Leaving yourself a running 100 yard hardwoods shot is a poke and a prayer. Those aren't the shots we took.  Getting into position to have a running shot at 40 yards or under makes for a very very make-able shot.

[Doc]

What bothers me are all those 5-shot volleys that I hear every year. I think all of those people think they are some kind of rapid-fire experts too. These are not follow up shots, I am sure. I have found many of the results in the woods later on in or after the season. Like I say, there may very well be an occasional accomplished shooter who can maybe reliably take these kinds of shots, but I suspect there are a lot more who think they can, but more than likely have practiced just enough to get a slug somewhere in the deer, and consider that "good enough".

And even more important, I think we all know about the safety rule of being sure about the back-drop of each shot to ensure what is in the line of fire. By the time that 5th shot has been swung through the woods, I doubt that anyone can say for sure that they are absolutely certain that someone has not stepped into the line of fire. And those doing this rapid fire with a scope, absolutely have no idea what will be behind the 3rd, 4th or 5th slug that they send into the woods.

I don't know, others can do what they want, but those are just a couple of reasons that I simply do not shoot at running deer, or even want to be anywhere around those that do.

[Swamp_bucks]

I've always been one not to shy away from a running deer shot if i can't get them to stop. But that ended last year when i killed my biggest buck on a drive put a poor shot on it and ruined some meat, ended up tracking it down and putting another one in it. That was enough for me to let them run by if i cant stop them.  But my friend can only seem to hit them if they are running 100mph.

[Buckmaster7600]

What bothers me are all those 5-shot volleys that I hear every year. I think all of those people think they are some kind of rapid-fire experts too. These are not follow up shots, I am sure. I have found many of the results in the woods later on in or after the season. Like I say, there may very well be an occasional accomplished shooter who can maybe reliably take these kinds of shots, but I suspect there are a lot more who think they can, but more than likely have practiced just enough to get a slug somewhere in the deer, and consider that "good enough".
And even more important, I think we all know about the safety rule of being sure about the back-drop of each shot to ensure what is in the line of fire. By the time that 5th shot has been swung through the woods, I doubt that anyone can say for sure that they are absolutely certain that someone has not stepped into the line of fire. And those doing this rapid fire with a scope, absolutely have no idea what will be behind the 3rd, 4th or 5th slug that they send into the woods.
I don't know, others can do what they want, but those are just a couple of reasons that I simply do not shoot at running deer, or even want to be anywhere around those that do.

No idea where you live doc but I'm guessing it's not the Adirondacks. When I am miles from my camp that is 11 miles beyond a locked gate I have 0 worries of another hunter being anywhere around. Between trees and terrain it would be tough to get a bullet to travel 100yds in the areas I do most of my hunting.

I reload and shoot around a 1000 center fire rounds a year of that 1000 less than 50 are shot of a bench. All others are shot freehand and often at moving targets. I don't know how many bucks I have killed with a rifle but I have a pretty good collection of horns on my wall and I would say only 8-10 were shot while standing still and probably 6 of them were in their beds. If I stand hunted I would have no need to practice the way I do because I would only shoot standing deer and most likely from a rest. The fact is I spend a lot of time in the woods all year to get my chance at a mature buck in the Adirondacks, if I want willing/able to shoot at running or moving deer like I am I would have killed far less deer. My goal going into every season is to kill a mature buck in the Adirondacks, being able to kill them on the run has made me successful at this for 11 of my 14 years of legally gun hunting the ADKS and 2 of those years I wasn't able to hunt due to being on deployment over seas.


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[moog5050]

1 hour ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

You ever have a deer take off running after you shoot it the first time? Ever have to track a wounded deer and have it jump up running? i can absolutely see a need to practice this. i grew up small game hunting  and most of that behind beagles and hounds. We drove deer when I was younger. Running shots at deer were common. That was how the hunting was done with my father and uncles. It was how they did it with theirs. I've put down quite a few running over the years. It really was in the drive set ups. Leaving yourself a running 100 yard hardwoods shot is a poke and a prayer. Those aren't the shots we took.  Getting into position to have a running shot at 40 yards or under makes for a very very make-able shot.

This is a fair point I had not thought about.  I did shoot at one running doe that I pushed while tracking her that I wounded.  Not my preference but there are times it may be needed even if one prefers to avoid running shots.  We have also little success with pushes so that has not happened to me either.

[NFA-ADK]

If you do drives, still hunt, stalk or track this type of shooting is needed.  Simply put not every buck will stop with a Meah call or any call at times.  

[Culvercreek hunt club]

20 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

This is a fair point I had not thought about.  I did shoot at one running doe that I pushed while tracking her that I wounded.  Not my preference but there are times it may be needed even if one prefers to avoid running shots.  We have also little success with pushes so that has not happened to me either.

I honestly am not very picky about shot placement if I am on the track of a wounded deer. Ear, hoof, heart or  hind quarter are all fair game  (an exaggeration but I think you get my point) in an attempt to finish the tracking and avoid any further suffering. 

Even small game hunting for animals like ducks. If you are choked full you are probably only looking at a 14-15" circle pattern at 20 yards. It is odd how we take a different view of what should be done based on the animal we are hunting. I think it was Buckmaster that talked about shooting still birds on the ground or ducks on the water not being ethical but moving shots on deer considered unethical by some. In states where deer are run with dogs i guarantee there is no standing shots in those outings. 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

33 minutes ago, NFA-ADK said:

If you do drives, still hunt, stalk or track this type of shooting is needed.  Simply put not every buck will stop with a Meah call or any call at times.  

I have had them lock the brakes up at the first shot a few times. 

[wolc123]

One of my most memorable running shots was one that I took offhand, from a range of about 80 yards, on a 10 point buck that was running full tilt thru thick hardwoods.  Right at the shot, the buck folded up, just like a pheasant hit with a full pattern.  That scene will be forever etched in my mind.   The reason that I took that shot, from high up in my treestand, is that I knew it was safe (In case of a miss, the trajectory would take the bullet into the ground on the pancake-flat land), and I could not believe that my first shot had missed.

The buck had stepped out into a shooting lane, about 70 yards away.  With my gun well-rested on a rail, I calmly placed the crosshairs behind his shoulder, and fired.  He wheeled around and bolted.   The second shot was perfectly timed with his expiration, but it never touched him.   The hair at the site of the first shot, and the side that the entry wound was on, made it clear that it was the first shot that got the job done.  

Another one that I will never forget, was the first deer I ever killed, 36 years ago.  My uncle and I were hunting up a steep hill in Allegheny state park.  We heard a shot up on top, and soon two antlerless deer came barreling down.  We had a party permit, along with my dad, so I found an opening between the trees, about 60 yards away and pulled the trigger when the first deer reached it.  The family still talks about that shot today.   Looking back, it might not have been the lead deer that folded up, struck perfectly thru the front shoulders.  More likely, it was the twin button-buck following close behind it, and my lead on the first one was about 6 feet short.    

It would not bother me at all if I never took another running shot at a deer.  I will continue to practice them on targets though, because it is more fun and challenging.  I have no problem with challenging myself on paper, but I have no need or desire to do it on a living animal.            

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[Buckmaster7600]

My first Adirondack buck was a 202lb 10pt that I shot the day before thanksgiving about 15yrs ago. We had about a ft of crunchy snow and we were doing some drives. I was the youngest so I got vile told to take the top watch up in "the bowl." Probably a half mile very steep climb up to my watch left wool coat soaking wet in the 15deg morning. I layer my rifle against a tree and took of the wet jacket to try and dry out as I knew I would be on this watch for a while. As I was taking my jacket of I heard crunching coming from the opposite way of the drive. I grabbed my 7600 pump carbine in 308 as a doe came into the bowl at full tilt. Right of her tail was a buck. At the time I had no idea how big he was and didn't care. He was probably 80yds when I fired the first shot into his front shoulder as he was quartering towards me. He never slowed so I continues to shoot until my gun was empty. A few bounds after I fired my fifth shot he slid to a stop. I knew he was dead so I put my coat back on and put my spare clip in the rifle and waited for the drivers when we got him down the hill no one could believe that the kid "don't remember how old I was but wasn't very old" put 5 shots in that buck where his neck met his shoulder that could have been covered with a coffee can. He was dead on the first shot but probably went 40yds in all. I guess that's what started my desire to master shooting a running deer. I would much rather shoot every deer from now on while he has his eyes closed laying in his bed but if he sees me before I see him and he's on the run he is still in big trouble.

He's the rack on the top right


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[NFA-ADK]

My running deer was charging me!  My 2010 8 pt.  I called him back to within 35 yards and after the first shot he came right at me.  To say I was a bit stressed would be an understatement.   

[moog5050]

10 hours ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

My first Adirondack buck was a 202lb 10pt that I shot the day before thanksgiving about 15yrs ago. We had about a ft of crunchy snow and we were doing some drives. I was the youngest so I got vile told to take the top watch up in "the bowl." Probably a half mile very steep climb up to my watch left wool coat soaking wet in the 15deg morning. I layer my rifle against a tree and took of the wet jacket to try and dry out as I knew I would be on this watch for a while. As I was taking my jacket of I heard crunching coming from the opposite way of the drive. I grabbed my 7600 pump carbine in 308 as a doe came into the bowl at full tilt. Right of her tail was a buck. At the time I had no idea how big he was and didn't care. He was probably 80yds when I fired the first shot into his front shoulder as he was quartering towards me. He never slowed so I continues to shoot until my gun was empty. A few bounds after I fired my fifth shot he slid to a stop. I knew he was dead so I put my coat back on and put my spare clip in the rifle and waited for the drivers when we got him down the hill no one could believe that the kid "don't remember how old I was but wasn't very old" put 5 shots in that buck where his neck met his shoulder that could have been covered with a coffee can. He was dead on the first shot but probably went 40yds in all. I guess that's what started my desire to master shooting a running deer. I would much rather shoot every deer from now on while he has his eyes closed laying in his bed but if he sees me before I see him and he's on the run he is still in big trouble.

He's the rack on the top right


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