Repercussions of "passing" deer.

[ncountry]

Heck. Why stop at legally shooting deer.. What's  the cost of a few fines compared to someone's life?

[jjb4900]

[wolc123]

2 minutes ago, zag said:

So if I don't fill all my tags I'm the problem???

Only if you had opportunities to but didn't.

[wolc123]

3 minutes ago, ncountry said:

Heck. Why stop at legally shooting deer.. What's  the cost of a few fines compared to someone's life?

The DEC depends on hunters to get the job done.  When a selfish desire of some of them for a larger deer, prevents the filling of some tags, is where the trouble starts.   

[First-light]

Wolc123,

You are feeling emotion right now. I get it but shooting deer (not letting them walk) will not solve the problem. In fact there isn't a problem. It's a tragic accident that happens. What are the odds. It sucks and there is nothing that is going to bring that girl back. Your logic is a skew with too much emotion. 

[Zag]

30 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

Only if you had opportunities to but didn't.

Ok that makes sense pal. Your off your f ing rocker. Last I knew man it's a free freaking country and if I don't fill all my tags that's my g damn american right. 

Moderate lock this stupid thread up

Edited October 29, 2017 by zag

[wolc123]

5 minutes ago, First-light said:

Wolc123,

You are feeling emotion right now. I get it but shooting deer (not letting them walk) will not solve the problem. In fact there isn't a problem. It's a tragic accident that happens. What are the odds. It sucks and there is nothing that is going to bring that girl back. Your logic is a skew with too much emotion. 

You make a good point.  Maybe I will cool down a bit by Saturday morning.  If not, that little 3" spike might pay the price.  In 35 years I have yet to fill a buck tag and later loose a crack at a larger one as a result.  This just might be the year.   

[the blur]

You can ban deer & ATV's too.     Then all the illegal deer & ATV's will be criminals, but the accidents will still happen.     It's sad, very sad.   But there is no correlation.

I was once hunting,  sitting down on a log.    I hear something running towards me.  Real fast.    I turn around, and a deer is running full speed at me, and literally jumped over my head.   Couldn't have been more than 5' over my head.    He could have easily put a hoof through me, or seriously injured me.    I was lucky.     

Anything can happen any time....

A guy 5 days older than me..  went to high school together.   I just saw him last week.    He dropped dead of a massive heart attach......

 

[The_Real_TCIII]

I didnt see anything about a deer involved in that accident, just that it was a rollover. Either way theres no hunting there

[vizslas]

Larger deer can cause more physical damage than small ones. Therefore if its a physics question,I think i will hold out

[wolc123]

7 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

I didnt see anything about a deer involved in that accident, just that it was a rollover. Either way theres no hunting there

There was nothing about it in any of the news reports, but the kids mentioned the deer at lunch today.    

[First-light]

Everyone chill and give it time. Take out that small buck if you wish, it's your choice. 

[Jdubs]

All due respect to you and the grief you are dealing with.  It's got to be difficult in a way I could not begin to imagine.

All I know is that no future hunting decisions can bring those people back.  I personally don't think anyone can draw a clean line between a decision to pass a deer and that specific deer causing a future tragedy.   Possible, but incredibly unlikely.  I may not agree with another hunter's decision, but I certainly do not want to tell others how to hunt.  My only hope would be that hunters attempt to harvest their deer in an ethical and legal way, not merely predicated upon a fear of possible future tragedy that may or may not occur.  

[biggamefish]

If you want logic! Deer were here first so I guess to stop all accidents we need to stop using atv's and vehicle's. I am sure there were no other factors in the accident!  Not trying to be a a-hole but I would assume speed had to be somewhat of a factor. 

If we went with your logic all the guns would be banned tomorrow!  People choke on hotdogs so I guess we need to stop killing pigs?

Edited October 29, 2017 by biggamefish

[OtiscoPaul]

Although I think the original post is a terrible tragedy and over the top in conclusion, the last time I checked CTF (and public at large) does cite this (vehicle collisions) as the biggest reason for allowing hunters to harvest deer.

I don't think it matters if you are selective in buck taking I do think it matters if you buy antler-less tags (as deer density is the issue) just so others can't fill them and refuse to do so yourself as some claim to do (this appears to be taking place with dmaps in Delaware State Forest where I have a cabin in PA).

 

Edited October 29, 2017 by OtiscoPaul

[Four Season Whitetail's]

What a bunch of Crap! Guess we should kill all the birds because some have ended up in jet engines and killed people. Man you spew some crap!


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[wolc123]

3 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

What a bunch of Crap! Guess we should kill all the birds because some have ended up in jet engines and killed people. Man you spew some crap!


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Does this mean I should not shoot a "baby-buck" ?  I recall that you consider 1.5's babies, as well as .5's (button bucks).  Are 2.5's ok ?

[Hock3y24]

While it is a tragedy that a person died, I don’t agree with what your saying. First of all how fast do you need to be traveling on an atv to have a fatal collision with a deer? I’ve had friends injured on motorcycles hitting deer, some serious. I shoot my fair share of does and sometimes a small buck, it is what it is and you can’t prevent everything. 

[Four Season Whitetail's]

Does this mean I should not shoot a "baby-buck" ?  I recall that you consider 1.5's babies, as well as .5's (button bucks).  Are 2.5's ok ?

You are just spewing off a bunch of crap. Can't say I have ever seen a mature buck you have ever taken. You love shooting baby Deer and this is just another load of crap to make yourself feel better doing so. I think you should shoot every fawn you see right up the ass so they don't grow up and kill someone. What A Joke. God directed a bullet up a deers behind so I guess he directed the Deer to have a part in taking the girls life. Give it up!


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[wolc123]

58 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

You are just spewing off a bunch of crap. Can't say I have ever seen a mature buck you have ever taken. You love shooting baby Deer and this is just another load of crap to make yourself feel better doing so. I think you should shoot every fawn you see right up the ass so they don't grow up and kill someone. What A Joke. God directed a bullet up a deers behind so I guess he directed the Deer to have a part in taking the girls life. Give it up!


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This certainly removes any regrets I would have over killing a smaller buck.  I hope that those folks who don't mind eating their tags when they don't have to would put a little more thought into that decision.  Filling those tags is especially important in WMU's like 9F (where the latest tragedy occurred) that are grossly overpopulated.   I will be sure to post a photo of that little 3" spike for you to ridicule on Saturday if I get him.  Maybe I will go for a frontal heart shot with my crossbow if one is offered.  That would be about the only angle I have not hit one at.  I hope you get the trophy you are looking for.

Edited October 30, 2017 by wolc123

[Zag]

4 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

This certainly removes any regrets I would have over killing a smaller buck.  I hope that those folks who don't mind eating their tags when they don't have to would put a little more thought into that decision.  Filling those tags is especially in WMU's like 9F (where the latest tragedy occurred) that are grossly overpopulated.   I will be sure to post a photo of that little 3" spike for you to ridicule on Saturday if I get him.  Maybe I will go for a frontal heart shot with my crossbow if one is offered.  That would be about the only angle I have not hit one at.  I hope you get the trophy you are looking for.

Dude turn your phone or computer off and don't come back till your common sense comes back if ever.

[The_Real_TCIII]

There is absolutely no evidence that a deer was involved in that tragedy and once again, there's no hunting within miles of there

[BigVal]

Wtf if you wanna shoot small bucks go ahead why talk about it in all posts you possibly can? Maybe you can even heart shoot one!! I'd say congratulations like it was a monster. Stop pushing everyone to shoot tiny bucks that taste the best of any deer ever!! 

Edited October 30, 2017 by BigVal

[wolc123]

8 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

There is absolutely no evidence that a deer was involved in that tragedy and once again, there's no hunting within miles of there

There is nothing on line or in the news about it but some high school kids (classmates of the ATV driver) mentioned the deer at lunch today.  The fact that there is no hunting within a few miles of there is also part of the problem.  Opening those areas to crossbow and vertical bow would be a good idea.     It is no wonder that deer cause accidents in areas where vehicle crashes are the only way to kill them legally.  

[turkeyfeathers]

1 hour ago, wolc123 said:

There was nothing about it in any of the news reports, but the kids mentioned the deer at lunch today.    

And there we have it. A Papist conspiracy theory.  

This is the wackiest thing I've ever heard