can you explain why hunters would want to shorten gun season?

[steve863]

36 minutes ago, Rack Attack said:

Those tags are available for "EACH FARM UNIT" which consists of 2 contiguous acres that meet re requirements outlined.  A general tag is a buck tag, and these are in addition to your regular resident tags.

Yes, so this would give each landowner an additional buck tag no matter how much land they own.  But would they get any more buck tags than that?  I'm not seeing that.  Surely isn't anything like someone getting an ADDITIONAL buck tag for every 50 acres they own.  In that scenario someone like Buckmaster with 300 acres would be given 6 buck tags, which I would not be in favor of.

 

 

[Nomad]

17 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

I'm not really serious about anything i post i here , it's the usual BS thread where people feel owed a trophy buck every time they buy a license and how to make that happen.

That's what happens when you  raise kids where you don't keep score., everyone gets a trophy , and everything has to be fair , they grow up and start hunting .

[The_Field_Ager]

4 hours ago, moog5050 said:

It's a fair point TF but gun in rut would change the fact that lots of deer are seen in that period. I do find it far easier to kill a nice buck in Archery vs regular season.  

Daylight Bucks at 3yrs or older pretty much end after the opening weekend of gun in my neck of the woods. For me, gun season is 2 days long as is.

[Four Season Whitetail's]

5 hours ago, stubby68 said:

You do realize what would happen if they shorten gun season right? Alol the gun hunters that bow hunters you bow hunters dislike that do not get much time to hunt with season the way it is now would have to start bow hunting. That would put the dreaded orange army right where you don't want them. Then bow hunters would be saying our previous season has been ruined by so many hunters.

           Or what would happen if hunters with already limited time already just stopped hunting. Fewer tags sold  means higher tag prices to make up for funds lost. Tags here are already high in price. How would you like paying even more.

Wrong..Most would either be to lazy or find they dont have what it takes to be a Bow Hunter.

Shorter gun season in the North

1 Buck tag for every hunter used in any season they want

Make every buck be checked in at check stations.

No gun's in any part of the Rut.

[stubby68]

3 hours ago, Four Season Whitetails said:

Wrong..Most would either be to lazy or find they dont have what it takes to be a Bow Hunter.

Shorter gun season in the North

1 Buck tag for every hunter used in any season they want

Make every buck be checked in at check stations.

No gun's in any part of the Rut.

Let's see hunt in warmer weather, hunt the time of year when you see the most deer,hunt when bucks are so dumb you can just about walk up to them. Your tag is either sex  so if you do not get any doe tags you still have a chqnce to fill the freezer even if you dont see a buck or get one in range.Yep takes a lot to be a bow hunter. If I had to I would go back to bow hunting but these three factors played a part in me stepping away from bow hunting. Bow hunters have the longest season let's see what happens if we make that only 1 week. 

    Gun hunters hunt the worst weather.  Which I prefer by the way. Hate hunting in above 30 degree temps. The also hunt spooked and mostly nocturnal deer.  Fewer deer seen per sit because of being nocturnal and spooked. Yep gun hunters are lazy I guess. Big holiday in the middle of season and another right off the end of it as well. So for many that means less time in woods due to family oblgations.

              The rut  factor means nothing because by the time gun season gets here the Rut is just about done in most areas.

             I would love to see one buck tag for any season. Better yet make the tag either sex . A lot of guys would take a doe instead of a buck. 

     Always complaints of gun hunters shooting the first thing that moves. Shorten gun season and see what happens. If the gun hunters do not keep the herd in check who will. We already know bow hunter wont. The majority of them won't even think about taking a doe. Proved by the boycott of bow hunting when they may a 2 week doe only season.

[Doc]

18 hours ago, Belo said:

some states have short condensed seasons and i think it makes for more of a holiday. tons of guys hunting at once and pushing deer.........

This is the most interesting reply in the whole thread. I believe this just might be true. A shorter season would put a bit of urgency and intensity back into the season. People have become so comfortable with having an almost unlimited amount of time to get their deer that they seem to lose complete interest after the first couple of days. I think a lot of hunters suffer from burn-out long before the season ends. And then I have to wonder how that burn-out impacts their desire to go out in subsequent years.

Yes, it is nice to have so much season that you can fit hunting days into a tight schedule. But when you can postpone your hunting almost indefinitely, you have to wonder how that effects the dedication and intensity and motivation. How does that translate into deer movement?

I know there are days after opening weekend where it is hard to remember that deer season is even open. It gets to a point where you hear fewer shots than you did back in small game season. Just enough hunters to keep the deer aware that there are still hunters out there, keeping them in survival mode. But not enough to keep deer moving through the day to offer actual opportunities.

I don't know, maybe deer hunting would become a lot more active, exciting, and intense if it were shorter.

[wfmiller]

Shortened gun season is something the die hard bow hunters want. They want the bow season extended. Every time I read about I see that same thing said. I love bow hunting, but things are going just fine right now. If you think the season is to long and you don't like hunting it that long, then stay home and leave the rest of us alone.

[Bowshotmuzzleloader]

Years ago bow opened on the 15th of October not the 1st so we have gained 2 weeks over the years but the  only change I would like to see is gun opening a week earlier and then closing a week sooner..

[BigVal]

Become elite, bow season October 1 - December 1, then a week of gun. Then done. Lol

[Jeremy K]

6 hours ago, stubby68 said:

Let's see hunt in warmer weather, hunt the time of year when you see the most deer,hunt when bucks are so dumb you can just about walk up to them. Your tag is either sex  so if you do not get any doe tags you still have a chqnce to fill the freezer even if you dont see a buck or get one in range.Yep takes a lot to be a bow hunter. If I had to I would go back to bow hunting but these three factors played a part in me stepping away from bow hunting. Bow hunters have the longest season let's see what happens if we make that only 1 week. 

    Gun hunters hunt the worst weather.  Which I prefer by the way. Hate hunting in above 30 degree temps. The also hunt spooked and mostly nocturnal deer.  Fewer deer seen per sit because of being nocturnal and spooked. Yep gun hunters are lazy I guess. Big holiday in the middle of season and another right off the end of it as well. So for many that means less time in woods due to family oblgations.

              The rut  factor means nothing because by the time gun season gets here the Rut is just about done in most areas.

             I would love to see one buck tag for any season. Better yet make the tag either sex . A lot of guys would take a doe instead of a buck. 

     Always complaints of gun hunters shooting the first thing that moves. Shorten gun season and see what happens. If the gun hunters do not keep the herd in check who will. We already know bow hunter wont. The majority of them won't even think about taking a doe. Proved by the boycott of bow hunting when they may a 2 week doe only season.

Just go out during archery then ,whats the big deal?

[stubby68]

1 hour ago, Jeremy K said:

Just go out during archery then ,whats the big deal?

Too warm too easy and not wanting to be part of  a group that thinks they are better then everyone else. That's why I stopped bow hunting

[Jeremy K]

2 minutes ago, stubby68 said:

Too warm too easy and not wanting to be part of  a group that thinks they are better then everyone else. That's why I stopped bow hunting

Sounds like an honest answer , enjoy pray and spray season this year . Good luck and be safe.

[chrisw]

Too warm too easy and not wanting to be part of  a group that thinks they are better then everyone else. That's why I stopped bow hunting

Too easy... Ha. Good one! Bowhunting is way too easy, so I go for a rifle instead, way more challenging.... Makes sense. You never fail to humor me.

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[The_Field_Ager]

Never understood the animosity between Bow and gunners. If you are gunner who resents the extra time bow hunters enjoy, get a bow and stop whining. That's what I did when I was solely a gunner. Easy peasy.

And my bow is ancient, 14 years old and going strong. You can pick up similar for 100 dollars or less. Money need not be a major hurdle.

[stubby68]

7 minutes ago, chrisw said:

Too easy... Ha. Good one! Bowhunting is way too easy, so I go for a rifle instead, way more challenging.... Makes sense. You never fail to humor me.

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What does a rifle have to do with anything..being able to shoot farther means nothing when fewer deer are on the move. I was out yesterday morning. Had 19 deer walk by me all within 60 yards. Most were in 30 or closer. 30 and under is good bow distance. Hard to see 19 deer  during all of gun season let alone 19 in one sit. So yeah way easier.

[WNYBuckHunter]

What I would Like to see would be a split gun season. 2 weeks of gun, a week of completely closed, then another week of regular gun, then a week and a half of muzzleloader/bow. That would give the deer a bit of a break to settle down and most guys wouldn’t lose much time in the woods. 

[stubby68]

4 minutes ago, Papist said:

Never understood the animosity between Bow and gunners. If you are gunner who resents the extra time bow hunters enjoy, get a bow and stop whining. That's what I did when I was solely a gunner. Easy peasy.

And my bow is ancient, 14 years old and going strong. You can pick up similar for 100 dollars or less. Money need not be a major hurdle.

        It is the mightier then thow attitude bow hunters have. A hunter who uses a bow calls himself a bow hunter a hunter who uses a gun calls himself a hunter.  When gun season starts it is called hunting when bow season starts it is called BOW  season. Comments like orange army, gun hunters do not have what it takes to bow hunt,brown is down clowns. All terms used by bow hunters to separate them selves from gun hunters. The animosity between gunners and bow is created by these things. Or how about bow hunters pushing for a shorter gun season. How about bow hunters being against everything from youth hunt to crossbow just because it is THEIR SEASON. They complain about everything. Want no other activity in the woods while THEIR  season is going. Every gunshot they hear is a poacher.  And every gun hunter baits. Understand a litthe now? Oh one more. Between this site Facebook and other sites how many stories have there been of deer shot and lost. Not saying that doesn't happen to gunners but wow the number of bad shots and lost deer stories during bow season is outrageous. 

[Poppy]

Many posts on "Live from the woods" during the archery and crossbow season tell us of numerous bucks seen chasing does.  Many hunters pass up decent bucks in hopes of getting a real wall hanger.   I certainly respect the archer having a dedicated early season, but should not the rifle hunter have a crack at that also.  Rifle season generally opens after the rut and for many hunters, even seeing does is difficult once the rifles start going off.  So here is what I propose;  have two 15 day seasons beginning on October 15th.  This year archery would run from 10/15 to 10/30 and rifle will run from 10/31 to November 14th.  Next year the seasons would be reversed so that firearms starts on October 15 and archery would start on October 31st.  Every year it would alternate.  That way every hunter, regardless of his or her choice of weapon would get a chance to hunt during peak rut.

[WNYBuckHunter]

4 minutes ago, stubby68 said:

        It is the mightier then thow attitude bow hunters have. A hunter who uses a bow calls himself a bow hunter a hunter who uses a gun calls himself a hunter.  When gun season starts it is called hunting when bow season starts it is called BOW  season. Comments like orange army, gun hunters do not have what it takes to bow hunt,brown is down clowns. All terms used by bow hunters to separate them selves from gun hunters. The animosity between gunners and bow is created by these things. Or how about bow hunters pushing for a shorter gun season. How about bow hunters being against everything from youth hunt to crossbow just because it is THEIR SEASON. They complain about everything. Want no other activity in the woods while THEIR  season is going. Every gunshot they hear is a poacher.  And every gun hunter baits. Understand a litthe now? Oh one more. Between this site Facebook and other sites how many stories have there been of deer shot and lost. Not saying that doesn't happen to gunners but wow the number of bad shots and lost deer stories during bow season is outrageous. 

Man you sure are painting with a broad brush. I dont Really know many guys that hunt exclusively with a bow and only call themselves a bow hunter. The vast majority just say they are hunters and hunt both seasons. Do bow hunting elitists exist? Absolutely, but they are a rather small percentage of the overall bow hunting community. 

 

[The_Field_Ager]

44 minutes ago, stubby68 said:

        It is the mightier then thow attitude bow hunters have.

 

Sounds like a blanket statement based on emotion being used to justify your stance. If your feelings are all you have to go on then you really don't have anything to go on

Edited November 11, 2017 by Papist

[The_Field_Ager]

3 minutes ago, WNYBuckHunter said:

Do bow hunting elitists exist? Absolutely, but they are a rather small percentage of the overall bow hunting community. 

 

Don't forget the rifle elitists who only hunt the wilds of the Adirondacks, stalking for days with nothing but a wool blanket and an axe to keep them alive.

[steve863]

2 hours ago, Papist said:

Don't forget the rifle elitists who only hunt the wilds of the Adirondacks, stalking for days with nothing but a wool blanket and an axe to keep them alive.

Yeah, but I've never heard them bitching about anything.  They disappear into the woods and mind their own business.

[Daveboone]

I hate the thought of changing our season length. I love every day I can be out in the woods, and the longer the season, the better. I pass many deer early on just so I have more reason to be able to go out later. In my book , the longer the season is spread out, so are the hunters, and the safer the woods. I would like to see our buck take changed to one buck per licensed hunter per year...that would spread out the bucks more widely for other hunters. If folks want to shoot more venison, as we all know there are plenty of opportunities with management tags, primitive seasons, etc. I don't fall into the commercialism/ mine is bigger gab of needing to get the biggest / bigger buck. Originally, hunting was about putting meat on the table. 

[chrisw]

Many posts on "Live from the woods" during the archery and crossbow season tell us of numerous bucks seen chasing does.  Many hunters pass up decent bucks in hopes of getting a real wall hanger.   I certainly respect the archer having a dedicated early season, but should not the rifle hunter have a crack at that also.  Rifle season generally opens after the rut and for many hunters, even seeing does is difficult once the rifles start going off.  So here is what I propose;  have two 15 day seasons beginning on October 15th.  This year archery would run from 10/15 to 10/30 and rifle will run from 10/31 to November 14th.  Next year the seasons would be reversed so that firearms starts on October 15 and archery would start on October 31st.  Every year it would alternate.  That way every hunter, regardless of his or her choice of weapon would get a chance to hunt during peak rut.

You do have a chance to hunt the peak rut now. You choose not to, that's on you...

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[The_Field_Ager]

1 minute ago, chrisw said:

You do have a chance to hunt the peak rut now. You choose not to, that's on you...

 

Precisely why I got into Bow, was seeing all the pre gun rut activity well in advance of the season