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I love deer meat ...beef...But I've never had a bout with gout...lol...he won't even touch alcohol because of it...NA beer only... First deer of the season I put right into jerky...which is then gone by gun season...I make sausage...love cubed steaks...our daughter takes some ..our son....unless he gets one and our daughter just said this week end she's getting her tags this year...they are very big into smoking meat The problem comes when the guys at camp hunt...none of them save 1 will take their own deer and have grown to expect us to take it...plus I take care of my FIL deer for him...I cut it for him to make sausage I've said they have to tell the guys to donate their deer..but that would mean they'd have to deal with them...it hasn't works ..but this year my foot comes down...you shoot it...you take it ...I don't care where... This is why Mr B holds off pulling the trigger...which is sad...Besides hunting I processed by my self my three and three from camp...They all forget...I'm getting older too...lol

face to face or phone is the way to go. i just got sole permission yesterday to hunt a 14 acre piece close to my office via a phone call. The best trick i've learned is to do your homework. the internet is a powerful tool, once i figured out the property i wanted to hunt i found out who owned it and googled the guy. Through some asking around it turns out he worked with my father in law 35 years ago. I started my phone call with that i was so and so's son in law and got to talking. Turns out hes doing some remodeling on a home and i offered my pickup to move stuff for him, as well as offering some venison. A quick google search and finding a common connection got me sole bow hunting rights to a piece of land that holds a 130" 8 point, a very respectable 10 point, and a half dozen basket racked bucks.

I think for taste and texture they are right in between puddle ducks and divers. I have a very good diving duck recipe that would probably work just fine for the goose as well. Take 2 pounds of bonless duck breast add 6 cups of chicken broth add 2 chopped carrots 3 diced potatos 3 chopped stalks of celery bring to boil add old work boot simmer for 3 hours remove old work boot throw remaining contents on the garden and eat the work boot.

It amazes me to this day how people blatently make generalizations as to how a landowner prefers to be contacted. You are assuming face to face is always the best method and that's false. No one single approach works. It's called communicating to your audience. I have had permission granted via face to face, via phone, and via letter or email. On many occassions, I have been told the method I used was vital in getting permission. My permissions are nearly split equally one third across the board via the various methods. Some general guidelines that can be had: Commerical properties almost always respond better to letters and phone calls. Why? They don't want me taking time away (out of their control) from them growing their business. A letter or call/voicemail lets them decide when to contact me - typically end of day or after hours. I purposely ask for voicemail when calling business owners. Letters also seem to do better in areas where there is higher education, higher income, more development, and elderly folk (at times). A properly composed business letter does wonders - I've had numerous comments on it, even when the answer was a no. Old people love letters, they love getting something in the mail. It's how they communicated when they were youths and young adults. Educated suburban people also like letters because its discreet. Mary Jane and Bob may despise the deer eating the shrubbery on their property, but don't openly state it because of the community yuppies. A letter really opens the discussion instead of rolling up in the truck with Realtree stickers and buck skulls on the window and knocking on the door. Phone calls can work better when the landowner is absent, but you have a round-a-bout connection to them - say a mutual friend. Or, you simply can't physically get to them at a good time. Face-to-face works well when its more rural, a working farm, etc. Some people like to gauge you. Some people HATE being contacted via a knock on the door. I've had as many farmers enjoy the face to face conversation as those who hate it because I'm keeping them from doing something on the farm, even in slow times. Letters work the least with farmers, unless, and this one is a game changer, the wife runs the business end, which happens often. If a woman as listed as the landowner or business owner of the farm, but her husband runs its, a letter works wonders because she is opening it in their office/farmhouse. Farms are the biggest roll of the dice when it comes to method of contact. I typically prefer a call for a guy farmer, offering to stop by and meet them face to face. That allows them to dictate the visit timing and be expecting me. I also prefer a numbers game, the more you attempt, the more you will get a yes. in 2011, I reached out to more than 75 landowners via various methods. Last year was about 40, and this year (10ish) much less because of it just being a bad luck year for me home-wise and because I have quite a bit of new access to take advantage of. My rate of success was low as some contacts I never heard from and got a good amount of no permission, but the sheer number of permissions granted provided plenty of acreage. Several places I hunted a few times and figured out pressure was too high, the property wasn't as good of a performer as it looked on an aerial/topo, or a variety of other reasons. But, weeding them out, I have a handful of parcels that I put into the rotation every year. So really, saying face to face is always the best method is not true. It may be, it may not be. Think a little about your approach, play to your strength and make it happen...if you are illiterate (not joking or being smart), have someone write the letter for you, or focus on your conversational abilities for face-to-face/phone candidates.

Think maybe people "jump on the band wagon" because you're 100% wrong? You're the one who started the name calling and talking down to people....Like you always do... Grow up

anyone who thinks that the contact between vanes and biscuit has a significant effect on arrow flight at bowhunting distances is very misinformed. shot this 40 yard group tonight with a WB. enough said!

Rough idea ... wing span divided by 2.5.. Was spot on for me.

Caught this awesome bear video on trail cam. Got pretty excited. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjVuRYJSUBM

i been hunting since i was 16 im now 23 i set up trail cams i scout im always as scent free as possable and i have yet to harvest a buck i get a doe about every year lol but id like some horns anyone got tips or ideas about would i should do ???? i had a buck come out last year it was a really nice 8 but i didnt take the shot due to i would have had to shoot up rather then down at it and theres a hour atop a ridge behind him i been beating mysef up about it ever since lol

A solid buck, but he's got a huge body on him. Can't image the heft this guy is going to have once he puts on the feedbag in the next month. Here's to hoping he sticks around. It's a Code Black transmitted pic, I'm sure the pics on the card are going to be much better detail to see his rack clearly.

Saw these guys tonight while checking out an area

There were a lot of veggies in the garden that I had written off as a lost cause because of the weather. The normal times for harvest has long gone by and things were either way to small (Brussels sprouts) or had blossomed without ever coming on as something you could harvest. Well, guess what ...... those long forgotten pepper blossoms have all of a sudden turned into peppers. Jillions of them growing more and more everyday. Those broccoli plants that appeared to have cashed it in and gone to seed instead of producing viable heads are now coming on like gang-busters, and keep on producing meal after meal. Those little brussel sprouts that looked only like a blemish on the main stalk are now getting some size to them. Butternut squash is everywhere. And as usual the couple of zucchini plants and yellow summer squash are finally producing to the usual point where we are supplying the entire neighborhood and even strangers with piles of squash. I think we already have more beets than anyone could eat in a lifetime, and the parsnips are just starting to develop. Swiss chard has been producing all summer. The cold and the rain couldn't slow that down. So it looks like the freaky cold wet weather of this summer kind of put the brakes on the garden development, but with the return of the warmer weather, everything is playing catch-up. The maters didn't do so good. We got hit with a lot of rot and we only got a few good tomatoes out of all the plants that we put in. Everything else is good ..... finally. So how are the rest of your gardens doing this year? Did anyone else notice the mid-summer vacation that a lot of the veggies took this year? Is your stuff making a come-back?

Peak rut is just ramping up when gun season opens. I had a few encounters last year during the last week of bow season where bucks were chasing like crazy, looking for hot does. Keep at it.

If I cant get wr or oats I plant triticale. All gets hit hard on my property.

Growing up when we did a bunch for freezing or cobbler we used to blanch them and the skins pealled right off.

I can offer a few suggestions on how not to gain permission, not from experience but for obvious reasons........don't ask the day before the season opens, don't bother a farmer or landowner when they are obviously busy, don't knock on someone's door around dinner time, don't show up in hunting clothes or looking like a slob or with a car load of hunting buddies, don't ask after you've been sitting in front of their property glassing deer for 20 minutes before asking....whether letters, emails or face to face are better options, are all decided by the person you are asking.

HEY! ...... I own a Mathews and everyone who doesn't shoot Mathews is a poopy-head! So there!

his Ithaca is a slug gun . He wants one for turkey and duck. An option could be a bird barrel for the Ithaca. But if it is a receiver mounted scope I can see his desire for a new gun to avoid removnig the scope. If the OP is shooting open sights on the slug barrel i would just get a bird barrel for the 37.

They absolutely do not taste like chicken or beef. Fairly dark meat, strong flavor. Similar to duck. I do a lot of goose hunting, we shoot 2-3 hundred a season. I haven't had them any way I really like so I just jerky them all and give away what I can.

Woohoo, pushed your button. You took offense to something. WNYB and others have been trying to do that for eons, I feel the collective pat on the back. Your quote wasn't anything special...merely pointed out that people falsely always believe that it is the best way to go. My point was that, that isn't ALWAYS the truth. Nothing against you or bashing you personally (besides your heritage, which is tounge in cheek - how many times have I said to you I hunt in Wayne, have a wife from Wayne, etc.? Lots.) You can take the boy out of Wayne, but can't take the Wayne out of the boy. Relax woodchuck....errrr 315er.

Remington 870, Mossberg 500 & 535 are all good choices, as far as a brand new gun in your price range. I have two 870's two 500's and a Mossberg 835. All solid reliable performers

The new pressure canners are about impossible to blow up becasue the rubber safety vents. if the pressure gets too high it pops out and vents the pressure. I read a ton on them and very excited to try it.

Had to put a temporary fence around my pumpkin patch today. Caught turkeys in pecking holes in them. Last year, they flew over the fence and ate all my tomatoes. The goal was to establish a habitat for the turks, with I have done successfully, LOL.

Apparently farmers generally only own land now? Ignorance is bliss, sometimes. Cliff notes: People prefer different means of communication. Figuring out which one is best for that scenario is the best method. One method is not all-encompassing. Wayne county people...sheesh. Sample Response: XXXX, I’m responding to your letter requesting permission to hunt on XXX property on XXX Road. Please come to the XXXXXX offices at XXXX XXXXXX rd and fill out a registration/disclaimer form – ask for XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX. Any questions please direct them to XXXXXX when you come to our offices. Regards, XXXXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXX Farms, Inc.

Since the possession limit is increased, I will provide you with a transfer tag to comply with the law and take them off your hands if you get any...

The chili idea sounds like a good one. I made jerky out of goose meat this past year and it was okay- not great. I made jerky out of duck meat, and it was excellent.

Sure do wish this was an episode of Survivor

That's all he ever does , go back to any perfectly good thread that he jumps in on and it turns to this crap ... Complains about racial slurrs, people attacking him , and nothing being done about it, when really he's the one antagonizing everyone , getting old !!!

Got ya.. Hope you catch the b*sturd for what ever they might have done... go get them!

What does having a black lab have to do with anything? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk - now Free

Wow, this thread ha gone way off topic!! Like I already stated, a WB is just as accurate as a drop away as long as they are both tuned properly. The only drawback of a WB is the noise upon drawing during cold weather that may happen.Just because it hasn't happened to you don't mean that it doesn't happen.

Still got a place to stay in Germantown? Couple weekend courses earlier than that in Columbia I have seen fliers for......one in Livingston right there; another over in the new Hillsdale library; that was end of Sept IIRC.

The champ is here! First post on this topic. What's best for an xbow wb or drop away? Lastly, everyone settle down. You didn't miss the Ambit Energy boom yet. Only 3% of NYers have it! Larry, are youuuuuuuuu ready to join the cult? http://ThomasLevy.energy526.com

Yea, nasty comments like THIS. Just so upsetting to me I can't STAND it. I don't recall the racial stuff, give me a hint shawn-hu. Thx bud.

Nice groups, too bad that top arrow's flight doesn't look like a well tuned bow. But how many WB shooters really bother to really spend the time to tune it properly?

you'll drive yourself crazy if you start looking at too many bows.........most pro shops are dealers for certain brands and will push whatever they sell........settle on a price range and stick to looking at bows that fall into what you're willing to spend........find a company with good customer service and go with them. A lot of the reliable company's have bows to fit everyone's need and budget.

Final cutting of the year, and why not during my final summer vacation.

Those are some healthy boys. Is that ivy or wild grape on the fence?

wow that's awesome

beautiful .. they are smart deer they know where they are safe . i watch this one plcae all summer i saw nobody just recent i started to see the does come back with the fawns . 2 days ago i saw the first buck and he is a 10 with a big body . he is a smart old deer . he has not let me get his picture yet . he knows . i think deer are one of the smartest animals yet.

Haha. You are wrong, that is 100% ILLEGAL! I hope you get caught. There are acorns in the woods by me, I can't go around and collect them all and make a pile, that's illegal. Sent from my PC36100 using Tapatalk 2

They look content there, hope they return so you can keep tabs on them.

If you hunt there in October make sure you have the free land access permit with you because DEC does check. Also don't limit yourself to the Ridge area because once November comes the small game hunters will be in the woods with you. Look into hunting some of the suffolk county properties like Hubbards Park. Some really nice deer out there, less pressure and you don't have to check in. Good luck

On the internet. Guy was a French model.

Nice rack! Those apples fall in nice handy piles.....lucky I guess!

let me start out buy saying/asking. why would you want a over/under for either type of hunting? that being said get yourself a decent pump or semi and never look back just my humble $2

Rib meat is not the same when its not on the bone.

or me

Had the same issue at dicks, asked for 4f and 1C I see her input 4F and 4C, stopped her in time though

Aren't you Italian? Why don't you just TELL them you're hunting there? LoL.