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20 lakers so far and a few nice ones. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

2 lakers in the boat so far. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I'm almost 50 and just spent my first night in the hospital last night. I came into the hospital Thursday morning after 36 hrs of bad abdominal pain just thought I was constipated. After some testing I have been diagnosed with colitis and diverticulitis. I am on vacation this week hoped to get some fishing and boating in, NOT. I had some blood work sent away to check for crones, I pray that comes back negative. Im sick already of the clear liquids, I would kill for a big fat burger! Sent from my VS980 4G using Tapatalk

How about compassion for your fellow brothers and sisters, don't they deserve another chance at life. So what you paid to help save them. I think if it was your kid or best friends kids you might want to help them. Real easy to say they choose this life yet many had this brought upon them from doctor prescribed medication. This has not affected me personally yet I see and hear it often enough to know it is an epidemic and hits all families not just city or urban area, this is in rural area's all over the country and is a big issue. We need to go after this issue in the schools and teach and show kids pictures of how bad the reality of these drugs destroys the lives of the addict and the family unit involved.

Ok, then challenge is not one of the motivating feature of hunting for you. I was not stating whether it should be or shouldn't be, just stating that in some cases, we seem to be moving toward a hunting culture that wants to remove challenge a motive. To me, I see hunting as a contest between me and the prey, and I do enjoy a worthy contest. If I was only interested in food, I would have been a farmer. Also, my resources have not dwindled to the point where I must forage for my food........yet. We do quite well at the super market and actually find it cheaper when all things are considered...... lol. I think that if you value your time as being worth anything, and when you look at the cost of equipment and supplies and maintenance, and transportation and special clothing, venison is one very expensive kind of meat. Regarding the question of respect, I think I have as much respect for my prey as anyone, and when looked at as a worthy adversary, perhaps even more respect than many who have an attitude of "whatever it takes to get that walking chunk of venison is ok, fairness be damned". I still maintain the perspective that hunting/fishing is recreation, and whatever handicaps that I voluntarily place on myself only helps to further the principles of "fair chase".

Did a ton of rowing today 8-11am. Dad got 2 bass, I got 4 bass and 1 lake trout. All released. Now onto yardwork (real reason I took off work to get yard ready for big party tomorrow). Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I usually aim for "knee high by the fourth of July". Today was one of them rare days when, if you look close enough, you can actually see it grow. It takes warm weather, lots of moisture in the ground, nitrogen, and plenty of sunshine to make that happen. At about 3:00 pm this afternoon, after grilling the girls some deer-burgers for lunch, I stood on the edge of my 2-1/2 acre plot and watched as it grew past my knees.

Jay had to bigtime us with a LMB Dance tights protect against poison ivy My other daughter opted to hunt turtles Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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I don't doubt the Bible has saved people from addiction...as a matter of fact I know it has, but I think it's more a case of replacing one addiction with another. I've seen it work with other healthier options as well...and if it works it doesn't matter what someone chose to utilize to get off drugs or alcohol, all that matters is that they did.

I tell my kids that there is no TRYING heroine, there is no TRYING meth. These drugs are terrifying, you're almost instantly addicted. Dealing them should be a capital offense Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

lol.........Not so much for the enjoyment spending time in nature huh? Zip-Boom-Season Over!

Old reliable, Happy long weekend. Sent from my XT1635-01 using Tapatalk

Ribs again and I'm ok with that

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Round two today! BIL was partner. Well over thirty bass! Icing shoulder again....

This afternoon: couple of largemouth and lots of panfish.

I'm hoping my brother will call tonight with some information. I'm not the type to bother people unnecessarily in a stressful situation like this, even though I certainly do care. We're a close family, and I'll hear details when they have time to take a breath.

i think for me it is this. And it's sort interesting that mother nature has always provided bigger racks, beards, weight with age to help demonstrate this. The counter to this is that a nany doe can be 10x harder to kill than a ruted up buck thinking with his other head. And here is where i'll be honest and note that there is a part of me that loves taking the picture, loves sharing that picture with this board, family, friends and facebook. Some may call this bragging, but i dont see it as any different than most other pictures we choose to share on social media. I would bet 95% of us have worked our butts off to get that nice buck, and are damn proud of it and want to share for those reasons, and not for trying to one-up someone else. Note, none of this applies to the outfitter/fence hunt. So yeah, the challenge is the main driver for me to hunt horns, but I'd be a liar if I didn't enjoy the horns on the wall which always leads to a good conversations starter in the barn/garage/den when drinking beers.

6 more weeks of season is a huge bonus and a compound is not that difficult to learn. You can get proficient to 25yds within a month of reasonable practice. Plus it's easier to handle in the stand and WAY MORE FUN! And you can then be a qualified elitist. Lol

It's getting pretty crazy, tonight there have been 3 that I heard come in, last week at shift change my company went for a guy who rear ended a Help Truck on the side of an expressway, the guy was shooting up while driving on an expressway ! My relief was in so,I did not go, but I've been to a few accidents where the driver had a tourniquet on his arm and a needle on his lap .... They're driving while shooting up ! It used to be only in drug houses and empty lots in the ghetto , now sadly it's college kids and suburn businessmen as well, not that anyone OD ing is good, but it's so widespeard today. I don't judge I treat and truly hope they can kick,it . This morning onthe way home I. Stopped for an oil,change and to get the Buick inspected , I'm in the waiting room and a worker comes in , " would you mind coming outside there's a woman who fainted in her car in line? ( I was in uniform )" So I hop in the passenger seat. She has snoring respirations, weak pulse, fixed pinpoint pupils, sweaty , unresponsive to verbal and painful stimulus, a blueish color, all classic signs of an OD. I not not find any needles or drugs although she could have used prior. I can't say with 100% certainty but it walked and talked like a duck. Ambulance and PD arrived quickly I filled them in and went back inside so I don't know if she responded to Narcan . Oh and as I wrote this another OD call came in, that's four so,far tonight and two shootings one I believe was fatal, one just came in for a person shot In the neck and another was beat to an inch of his life with what was possibly a bat, and my girls never understood why I wouldn't want them to,do,this job . We now carry about 8 doses of Narcan on the rig, some just for use on Fire and Poilce personal as some of the stuff being used to cut it, like Fentanyl can be absorbed through the skin and accidently touching it can cause an OD to responders , I had gloves on me today . I guess I'm just venting as I sure don't know what the answer is .

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Out with the crew having a beer and food at this place.

I'm far from lost my friend.If That is what works for you-Great but I have had way too many people that I have known that have tried to fool everyone with their holy roller born again bullshit. Playing the Jesus/bible card when it suits you or the situation and then doing a complete 180 from that when that persons "church friends" are not around tells me one thing.........they are lying two faced fools who are only kidding themselves.Reading a book and trying to convince everyone that will listen that you are saved does not mean the Leopard can change his spots. Preaching the bible one day and then torching up crack rocks the next is not in the bible as far as I know.I don't think handing out Jesus pamphlets during the day and getting pie eyed drunk that evening is either.How about praising the good lord as your savior and then getting stoned in the company truck as soon as you leave the shop in the morning heading out on the road? If I understand this whole God thing correctly I would imagine he can see all this stuff from his Kingdom..........I probably won't wind up there so I may not get a chance to ask him.

When did a 12pack and a bag of weed stop being a great night? Granted I have grown up and haven't spoked pot in a lot of years but what the hell?? I'm not that old but I just can't wrap my head around the heroin and meth BS. You go to a party and some guys are smoking pot and ask you if you want to try some, they all are having a good time "sure why not." You're at a party and a dudes in the corner hunched over because it feels like his guys are getting ripped out and he's in and out of consciousness and he offers you his syringe, how in the F do say "yea you look like you're having a blast I'll try some of that!" Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Go get em gents. I should say ladies. They better out fish Dad. It's the rule

TF and I are taking our girls for panfish today, mods please free up some server space for photos Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2017/06/30/bronx-lebanon-hospital-center-gunshots-fired.html yeah NY safe act works..... NOT !!! plus... Belo...??? that's one weird coincidence.... I think

Good luck, i am sending good thoughts your way!

I had a cousin, a few years older than me who died from an untreated wound on his leg sustained from a bicycle fall. He used a bicycle because he could not afford a car. He came back from Nam in 1971 addicted to heroin. He was in and out of rehabs and the methadone clinics his entire life and never held a job for more than a few weeks at a time. The untreated wound became systemic because in his clouded mental state he thought he just had the flu and after feeling so bad for about a week, one of his "smack" using friends, a women user, called 911 and reported his illness and unresponsiveness. She then left and they found him and took him to the ER where he admitted to the hospital. It was too late. The infection was so advanced that infection could not helped by antibiotics and he passed away. In those early days heroin use was not too well known and not as understood. In 2017, everyone that isn't living in a cave somewhere knows the deal with this shit. I too agree with an earlier post. We will help you once but after that you're on your own. When other people must pay hundreds of dollars a month for medications to stay alive and when an addict can receive Narcan at no charge this is not right. How bout the police and EMS that have to administer the Narcan to the overdoser, this can't be enjoyable either. I just can't feel sorry for people who go down this road. They know better. This isn't someone puffin some weed a couple times a year or having a few beers on a Friday night - this is russian roulette.

A guy from Tonawanda was charged yesterday with manslaughter in the death of a girl he had given a crushed up opiod to. The girl was drunk and she snorted it like cocaine up her nose and died from it. The Erie County D.A. says there will be zero tolerance to any one who gives or sells any opiods to someone and that person dies. It certainly won't stop all these overdoses, but it might make someone think twice about sharing or selling opiods to someone.

Sadly he is. Lol

I don't know what the answer is...a lot of people like getting high I guess. We've had epidemics in this country in the past, I remember reading years ago that a lot of Civil War vets came home from the war addicted to morphine, and we outlawed alcohol back at the beginning of the last century for a while. The heroin they sell these days seems to be much stronger than what used to be sold, I guess it's so cheap that they don't need to dilute it anymore to make a profit? My nephew told me 22 of his friends and acquaintances have died from heroin ODs so far (he's 25), and his sister (my niece) has been in and out of the rehab 3 times in the last 4 years, last time she OD'd my brother-in-law found her, he literally brought her back from the dead before 911 showed up; I'm praying she has "hit her bottom" this time, she's a beautiful girl and has so much potential. I'm a fan of building the wall no matter what it costs; while I understand the War On Drugs has pretty much been a dismal failure, ANY steps that can be made to stop bringing this stuff into the country has to be a step in the right direction. And yes, I do realize that heroin and drugs will still find their way here, but I'd like to think slowing the supply chain would at least bring things away from epidemic levels.

i've watched a bunch of young and old destroy there lives with that crap.Everyone of them started off with oxycodone from an injury then when they couldn't get the pills any more they hit the streets.I blowout my back two years ago the doctor gave me a 120 pills i took 2 what a crazy feeling i dealt with the pain after that.it's been out of control for a few years now.

Get well soon, hope the blood test comes back negative!

Hopefully have the health to enjoy hunting the next hunting season, people seem to forget health is taken for granted, enjoy what you have and what is presented to you..

Some more prayers!

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Good Luck,sounds like you may have to change your life style and eating habits.Hope all works out for you.

I don't think that I ever said that. Almost all hunts have some element of challenge in them even if it only amounts to marksmanship or simple patience and persistence and willingness to suffer the cold. What I DID say was that those that talk about challenge as being their primary reason for hunting, "walk the walk". But the realities are that almost all participants in hunting today are doing their absolute best to eliminate as much challenge as possible. That is a statement that darn few people can argue these days. The examples are everywhere throughout hunting today. I point to the establishment of bow season way back in the early days of bowhunting. Everyone who participated did so to handicap themselves severely with a weapon that was a real problem to succeed with and the deer take numbers reflected that. That was the whole reason for the creation of that season. Those people were obsessed with challenge. That really was their primary reason for hunting. That attitude is really very different today. No, no one is saying that hunting does not have some challenge built into it, but nothing today makes that challenge look like a primary motive for hunting. Everything that I see today is an attempt at removing challenge. I'm not trying to say that that is good or bad. Just saying that motives for hunting seem to be something other than looking for ways to put the odds in the deer's favor.

Thank you everyone for all the well-wishes. I'll pass them along. Lots of broken bones but it sounds like he's out of the woods with regard to deadly internal injuries. I'll send updates as I get them. Thanks again, Mark

People talk smack about high fence deer, Yes there have been some pretty freaky deer bred in the deer world but for the most part if you look at most of the awesome bucks harvested in Kansas, Ohio and such they are bucks pushing 200 inches, Same as MOST deer are behind fence.Hunters have seen what can be taken if they have what it takes and commit on taking only one type of animal. The problem we have in Ny is that we are in the crappiest place to live and hunt what a real whitetail can look like. The hunters that chose to hunt only mature deer are truly hunting, Find,track and kill a single animal...Like hunting for Bin Laden. Mono de Mono. Most places in todays hunting is pretty much shooting deer, we have a great number of animals and one does not have to "Hunt" to hard to kill any deer.

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I respect your opinion. That being said, I think you are wrong to advise someone, just getting into shooting crossbow, or bow for that matter. To take 60 yard shots or even 50 yard shots at deer. We have all heard your story, many times, of the 59 yard heart shot. Thats all well and good for you. But for a young hunter, or one just getting started, this is not an advisable shot, under any circumstances! Long range shooting is for the experts. Not too many of us qualify. Too much can go wrong when shooting ANY crossbow or bow beyond 30 yards, unless you have years of dedicated experience. Deer are not stationary targets! I've been a blood tracker for many years. This is what "MY" experience has proven many times over.

Boom!

I've read the responses here Doc and I think I have a bit of a different take. I don't think it is as much the psychology behind it as the millions of years of genetic encoding. I think as a species we have a desire and even a need to have our efforts acknowledged and admired. A hunter in those long ago times was granted stature based on how well they hunted. Females selected their mates on the basis of how well they provided. So I think the tendency is there in our very make up. Like anything else there are varying degrees of intensity. Why do we keep score in sporting events? To acknowledge the better players by saying they won. As a measure of a hunter I would think that a person that consistently takes the more mature animals would be viewed as the better hunter. Age and antler size are generally proportional. and the older and more experienced animals (prey) would have the greatest life experience and most survival knowledge.Therefore they would be the most difficult quarry to take. .

That is fine if you only care about yourself. I love hearing others success and looking at all the deer we get throughout the year, I like doe, small buck, weird bucks, strange racks and sharing with others. The opposite attitude seems self centered to me and seems to be the norm with younger hunters or silver spoon syndrome as I like to call it. I also like to share my knowledge, experience and show that anyone can gain information for hunters with no experience, sometimes the less experienced have some really amazing stories! No two hunts or deer for that matter are the same and I enjoy reading and looking at the pictures and stories from any deer. Reminds me of fisherman some don't tell anything, others will take you to the spot and show how its done!

Oh trust me..I Know. But let word slip out of a buck or two that one has done homework on and its game on for some.

Human behavior is a weird thing to contemplate. This thread has brought out a lot about hunter mentality, motives and expectations. It does seem like we are needing peer recognition, and that it is very important to us. We have even concocted a scoring system so that we know when we have won or when we can declare ourselves masters of the sport. hunting seems to have moved from a competition between the hunter and his prey to a contest between hunter and hunter. Maybe its always been that way. But why we have settled in on antlers as a way to measure hunter prowess, is still a mystery. Heaven forbid if you are a hunter that doesn't hunt deer. I guess those people have to invent their own little ways of measuring their worth ......lol.

Biggest rack in women , biggest truck , biggest engine , biggest biceps , biggest house , hardly think quest for biggest deer rack is in anyway unique. 'Merica ! Stubby , I gotta disagree about everyone knowing about big bucks killed. Few outside of hunting even know that there is a scoring system, most I know think my 10pt must be bigger then your 8pt . I still run into people who ask if I eat it ? 3 % of New Yorkers hunt , most of the remaining 97% could'nt tell what P&Y or B&C was or care in the least .