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Ok boys take a deep breath with me cause I am still shaking.  Mainframe 8 with quadruple brow tines on one side and a row of junk on the other.  Redneck hang a ring on it 16 points, but I am thin

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no one told the deer it was to warm.... He came in chasing 5 doe which are walking past me on the ground at 40 yards tight now !

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Since it's ML season here, I am sitting out the rain day.  I walked 2.5 miles yesterday in 18-20" of snow.  Not much for fresh tracks.  Some made their way across posters, others were chased by coyotes.  I came out for an hour for a quick sandwich, then went back out to sit for the PM.  I got lazy and climbed in my ladder stand to get out of the snow.  I saw 6 behind the neighbor's posters, then 4 on our side.  Unfortunately, they were over 200 yards away.  Too far for me and the smokepole.  Taking today off.  We'll see what half an inch of rain does to the snow pack.  I'm not done yet...

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I was going to sleep in today because of forecasted rain...I’m in my ground blind with blue skies above....strange...maybe today will be the day!!!  A bit tricky in the canoe as the creek  is starting to flood.  Good luck all!

 

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I have a quarter mile drive at my cabin and the snow is very deep and only made it a quarter of the way in. So I grab my Remington 783 out of the back seat and start walking and catch some movement to my left on the other side of the gully. I make my way to a pine tree and wait for the deer to come up. 3 doe come up @ 20 yards and have no idea that i am there. Then a big wide fat 6 pt comes up I have him at 20 yards my god damn round misfires. 2nd time this has happened. I’m pissed I just bought the gun last year. I’m thinking it’s a firing pin problem. Anyone else own this gun and have a problem like this?

I would bet you’re using core lokts, if not it’s most likely your rifle. I’m not familiar with a 783 is that their new entry level gun?


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I have a quarter mile drive at my cabin and the snow is very deep and only made it a quarter of the way in. So I grab my Remington 783 out of the back seat and start walking and catch some movement to my left on the other side of the gully. I make my way to a pine tree and wait for the deer to come up. 3 doe come up @ 20 yards and have no idea that i am there. Then a big wide fat 6 pt comes up I have him at 20 yards my god damn round misfires. 2nd time this has happened. I’m pissed I just bought the gun last year. I’m thinking it’s a firing pin problem. Anyone else own this gun and have a problem like this?

I can see why you're pizzed.  Sounds like an ammo issue. On the other hand, I know a gun shop owner who has had to send back a half dozen brand-new Remingtons over the past few years.  Not just one model either.

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33 minutes ago, dinorocks said:

I was going to sleep in today because of forecasted rain...I’m in my ground blind with blue skies above....strange...maybe today will be the day!!!  A bit tricky in the canoe as the creek  is starting to flood.  Good luck all!

 

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Well my blue-sky honeymoon is over....it is now officially pouring!

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Less than 12 hours with protective hide, dressed? Yes, yes it is. Man how did humans survive before refrigeration


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We aren’t primitive humans, and no no it’s not ok, the meat won’t spoil that’s not the problem
It’s bacteria growth. Which requires temperature at moisture. One could get pretty sick, also depending on where the deer was shot could exacerbated bacterial growth


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We aren’t primitive humans, and no no it’s not ok, the meat won’t spoil that’s not the problem
It’s bacteria growth. Which requires temperature at moisture. One could get pretty sick, also depending on where the deer was shot could exacerbated bacterial growth


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I see where you are coming from and scientifically don't disagree... However I think we coddle ourselves a bit too much at times. I've let deer hang a tad longer than I'd like in higher temps than I wanted due to work etc and never lost any meat and have never gotten sick from venison. I've also let deer go overnight when the temp hit 60, and came in the next morning and found them, no issues with the meat. To each their own!

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I see where you are coming from and scientifically don't disagree... However I think we coddle ourselves a bit too much at times. I've let deer hang a tad longer than I'd like in higher temps than I wanted due to work etc and never lost any meat and have never gotten sick from venison. I've also let deer go overnight when the temp hit 60, and came in the next morning and found them, no issues with the meat. To each their own!

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Yes chances are one will be fine, but is it worth the risk of not being fine. Do your kids eat that meat? Is it worth the risk of them not being fine


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We aren’t primitive humans, and no no it’s not ok, the meat won’t spoil that’s not the problem
It’s bacteria growth. Which requires temperature at moisture. One could get pretty sick, also depending on where the deer was shot could exacerbated bacterial growth


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Of course, chefhunter86, technically you are right. The food danger zone is 40-140 degrees, but that relates to the temperature of the meat itself, which doesn't exactly correlate to the ambient air temperature. When you factor in a potential wind chill and the insulating effect of the hide, could one possibly get away with an ambient air temperature slightly higher than 40 degrees when hanging a deer (in the shade)? Enzymatic activity occurs up to 42 degrees, so I've read. Could 42 degrees ambient temperature be a reasonable max temp?

A secondary tangential point, I feel like the moisture issue doesn't get enough consideration when field dressing or hanging deer. Myself, I go through the trouble of hanging my deer head up to promote drainage of any moisture, and then flip it to tail up to butcher it.

Sorry to derail the thread, but couldn't help myself to chime in on this one.

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Yes chances are one will be fine, but is it worth the risk of not being fine. Do your kids eat that meat? Is it worth the risk of them not being fine


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Believe me, there have been literally millions of people who have eaten venison from deer that have hanged in warmer temperatures than you'd be comfortable with and they've had no ill effects.  No, I wouldn't want to leave it hanging for days on end in 40+ degree temperatures, but to have it hang a day or so won't bring on all this bacteria you seem to be afraid of.  What makes you think that store bought meat was always stored in perfect temperatures?

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Believe me, there have been literally millions of people who have eaten venison from deer that have hanged in warmer temperatures than you'd be comfortable with and they've had no ill effects.  No, I wouldn't want to leave it hanging for days on end in 40+ degree temperatures, but to have it hang a day or so won't bring on all this bacteria you seem to be afraid of.  What makes you think that store bought meat was always stored in perfect temperatures?

In most cases it is. At least at the stores
I shop at. Not do sound like a dick but I’m in food distribution so I know how it works.


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.8 point yesterday. Someone had shot his foot, and tried a texas heart shot. He stunk bad. Meat was rotten. At least he is out of his misery.
Body of the deer was huge, horns were nice, but holy cow was he a big deer. There were coyote tracks around his bed but they did not mess with him. He still had some fight in him.
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We aren’t primitive humans, and no no it’s not ok, the meat won’t spoil that’s not the problem

It’s bacteria growth. Which requires temperature at moisture. One could get pretty sick, also depending on where the deer was shot could exacerbated bacterial growth

 

 

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I’ve said my peace. High 30s, low 40’s is not something myself and hunters for generation have ever been concerned about. I’ve let a few early bow kills hang in low 50’s in a shaded garage unexposed, wrapped with ice bags in the cavity to be extra safe. Use common practice with prep of your meat and you’ll be fine.

 

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I’ve said my peace. High 30s, low 40’s is not something myself and hunters for generation have ever been concerned about. I’ve let a few early bow kills hang in low 50’s wrapped with ice bags in the cavity to be extra safe. Use common practice with prep of your meat and you’ll be fine.

But you do you, I’ll do me.


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High 30’s is safe low 40’s is ok... over 45 and into the 50’s ur out of your mind


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