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1 hour ago, CapDistPatriot said:

Southern Zone only. I don't understand why they don't include rifle, only Bow & Muzzy...

 

https://www.dec.ny.gov/press/121333.html

I am thinking they don't include rifle so it doesn't infringe on the snowmobile riders and push their season back as trails open right after regular season.

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6 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

perspective. It can be an additional hunting opportunity if they make a change that lets you see more deer. 

With the DEC complaining we aren't killing enough deer and that there are leftover permits in a lot of areas these days and less hunters I don't see them keeping the same amount of days and moving the last week out farther. This is for additional added days for sure. 

Which I am all for. Just seems dumb to have 4 -5 days in between. Esp if the goal is to lower the deer numbers. More available hunting days means more chances to get out in the woods.  And wouldnt a Xmas Eve hunt be cool! By the time muzzle comes i am usually about wore out but I would never pass more available hunting time.  Places I hunt by the time Thanksgiving is over it's a ghost town. Not like the old days for sure.

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1 hour ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

the way I was understanding it was there wouldn't be that normal late week. The week would get "shifted" into the new location. 

 

Edit" And I don't care where you are int he state but the last week of firearms is A LOT less pressure than the first weeks. 

I'm reading this as early bow - xbow/bow - regular - late bow/mz/xbow - holiday break - late late bow/mz. It's an expansion as I am reading it and not a lift and shift of the late season.

I suspect the holiday break is just to avoid ticking off the non-hunters to some degree. Many states do however have breaks in between seasons, so it's not unheard of.

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Found it. This IS NOT being proposed as a lift and shift - the DEC sucks at communication.

Season Season dates Youth Firearms 3 consecutive days beginning on the Saturday of Columbus Day weekend

Regular 23 days beginning on the 3rd Saturday in November

Bowhunting Early Season: October 1 through the Friday immediately preceding regular season

Late Season: nine days immediately following the regular season and December 26 through January 1

Muzzleloader Early Season: closed

Late Season: nine consecutive days immediately following the regular season and December 26 through January 1

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Found it. This IS NOT being proposed as a lift and shift - the DEC sucks at communication.
Season Season dates Youth Firearms 3 consecutive days beginning on the Saturday of Columbus Day weekend
Regular 23 days beginning on the 3rd Saturday in November
Bowhunting Early Season: October 1 through the Friday immediately preceding regular season
Late Season: nine days immediately following the regular season and December 26 through January 1
Muzzleloader Early Season: closed
Late Season: nine consecutive days immediately following the regular season and December 26 through January 1

So it's an additional week right?


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23 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:


So it's an additional week right?


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This was taken from the official source.

I highly encourage everyone to read tail end of page 7 and page 8 of this:

https://www.dos.ny.gov/info/register/2020/090920.pdf

Gives alot of background. This is HUGE evidence the DEC sucks at communication.

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3 hours ago, steve863 said:

I can understand it being implemented only in specific areas, but I wouldn't favor them implementing it across the board in the entire southern zone.  Muzzleloaders are almost as effective as the centerfire rifles, and I'd bet most won't be choosing the bow during this season so this may be a bit too much on the deer herd.

 

 

 

 

Have you ever been in the woods during the late seasons? You almost never see deer.

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2 hours ago, steve863 said:

Where are you reading that the current bow/muzzleloader season would be shifted??  The DEC release is calling this "additional" hunting opportunities.  

 

You have to go to actual proposals and alternatives not the fluffy edited  press release. There is a requested  input period . spacer.pngScreenshot_20200910-140738_Facebook.jpg

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1 minute ago, G-Man said:

You have to go to actual proposals and alternatives not the fluffy edited  press release. There is a requested  input period . imageproxy.php?img=&key=e19349f16091ac34Screenshot_20200910-140738_Facebook.thumb.jpg.9829abaf0f5d8c87e985031a7f76bdab.jpgimageproxy.php?img=&key=e19349f16091ac34

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That's an alternative. Not the actual proposal. The proposal clearly indicates this is an addition too. Everything you posted is an alternate. Like being second runner up in Miss USA.

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1 minute ago, Belo said:

I don't understand the confusion or shot at communication...

they state over and over words like expand, in addition too. 

See my prior post - they could have literally taken that and put it in their press release and people would have understood it easier. They are horrible at communication - no way to defend that.

They gave a snippet and used superlatives instead of speaking with facts. The code amendment proposal is literally maybe 35-50 words and has the whole package in there...

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19 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

Have you ever been in the woods during the late seasons? You almost never see deer.

 

The few times I've hunted the muzzleloading season I was seeing MORE deer than during the regular season.  Many of the doe are getting back into big groups at that time.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

GMan posted the alternative. I wouldn't put money on it being a extension if I were you. I believe you will see the alternative. 

yeah... but those alternatives. Basically other options, and likely not to be the case if they didn't make the press release. seems they're hanging their hat on the one they communicated.

In my business world I always go in with my plan and I have my alternatives in my back pocket.

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5 minutes ago, phade said:

See my prior post - they could have literally taken that and put it in their press release and people would have understood it easier. They are horrible at communication - no way to defend that.

They gave a snippet and used superlatives instead of speaking with facts. The code amendment proposal is literally maybe 35-50 words and has the whole package in there...

for 1/2 of america it makes sense. but the other half has their brain misfiring when they read 4 potential options and then they start sending angry emails and letters to the editor. I think dumbing it down is the sad reality of where we're at today.

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I have reservations about how much it'll help. Not many bucks might have shed but they'll look like a big doe and will be picked out of any group of deer. Holidays are a busy time of year too.

I already emailed them my opinions:
First have both zones opening day of reg gun on Sunday and not Saturday. Church is late morning so dont bring it up. Get back prep day hunting get-togethers with family and friends. Leave week of Thanksgiving and that following weekend in reg season to maintain traditions. Make last day of reg gun the Sunday after Thanksgiving (lose 2 weeks from back end of gun season). Make late season for 2 weeks following reg gun. Annual season ends a week early with shortened gun season.
Make first week of early season earn a buck bow/muzzleloader in WMU needing higher doe harvest. Early vs late doe harvest better for ecology and not wasting buck effort.
Spending time w family and friends during Christmas and new years is important. If you havent filled freezer before then you need a hunting mentor not more time.

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8 minutes ago, dbHunterNY said:

I have reservations about how much it'll help. Not many bucks might have shed but they'll look like a big doe and will be picked out of any group of deer. Holidays are a busy time of year too.

I already emailed them my opinions:
First have both zones opening day of reg gun on Sunday and not Saturday. Church is late morning so dont bring it up. Get back prep day hunting get-togethers with family and friends. Leave week of Thanksgiving and that following weekend in reg season to maintain traditions. Make last day of reg gun the Sunday after Thanksgiving (lose 2 weeks from back end of gun season). Make late season for 2 weeks following reg gun. Annual season ends a week early with shortened gun season.
Make first week of early season earn a buck bow/muzzleloader in WMU needing higher doe harvest. Early vs late doe harvest better for ecology and not wasting buck effort.
Spending time w family and friends during Christmas and new years is important. If you havent filled freezer before then you need a hunting mentor not more time.

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i emailed them too and asked them not to listen to you!  lol just kidding - just different opinions.  Glad we all get to put in feedback to them and i hope they listen. But i disagree with this entire idea.  Never understood why people would ask for more restrictions and shorter seasons on something they love to do. Makes no sense to me.  If you want to shorten season then just stop hunting, many people do not get the same oppurtunities as others to hunt multiple days and take time off and have private land.  Although i can do that myself i was at one point not able to, and for me to want to restrict others oppurtunities with further laws and shorten the season i dont think is right .  I for one love the sat opener cause i have it off as many do on the weekends.  Moving it to sunday is just one more less day off to hunt.  Just my opinion but i dont like restrictions put in place when they arent needed.    

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I personally don't think it will make much of a difference.  Most people are done by thanksgiving at least around me.  Only the diehard hunters are out during that last week and that's very far and few between.  To me it's still the same amount of tags issued so it won't be like they are giving more out.  I do understand the shed buck issue but that's just a risk they'll have to take and or stress to hunters to make sure you can tell if it's a shed buck or not.

  Is there a chance it's to draw non residents in?  Holiday season people are out of work so they can get more people to come into the state?

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While I worry about the shed buck issue - whether we want to dicker on the impact severity, I think all of us agree it is an impact....I'm going to throw my support behind these added days. 

If someone asked me about a truncated and backed-up regular season...well, call me Ohio.

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