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1 minute ago, mike103 said:

Dude 2011 is 570 and 2017 is 571??

Again that’s our bid success??

come on man, look at the trend. Lows in the mid 50's, highs in the 90's. Statistically speaking we have grown. Here's a graph i just made. It may not be a boom, but it's hardly indicative of a dying sport. And these include all hunting. I bet archery is significantly higher.

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Sometimes when I read something, I just have to chuckle a little. This is one of those times. I have been, and continue to be a bowhunter for almost 40 years. Did my mentality suddenly change, th

Done ,  I like my compound but have a couple of older hunters that cant draw bow back well anymore , miss having them in camp for whole archery season. Anything that let's them hunt more in better wea

This here, is my main issue with with the whole crossbow debate. One group of hunters calling another group of hunters "inferior" because they choose a different 'legal' hunting implement, or tool, to

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14 minutes ago, Belo said:

is math an issue for you, bowhunting numbers are up 17%... and even more vs the 5 year average. How is this indication of a dying sport?

So here’s a maths issue for you.

Bow take is up about 8k.

Xbow take is 10k.

Our yearly deer take is almost the same every year about 220K.

But more hunters chose to use a bow. At least 8k more.

But at least 10k chose to use a Xbow.

And the DEC survey showed that most hunters support the use of Xbows.

It’s called freedom.

And they chose it.

 

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3 minutes ago, Belo said:

come on man, look at the trend. Lows in the mid 50's, highs in the 90's. Statistically speaking we have grown. Here's a graph i just made. It may not be a boom, but it's hardly indicative of a dying sport. And these include all hunting. I bet archery is significantly higher.

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Yes I agree more people are bow hunting because of increased access and bows are now easier to shoot. 
 

Just like Xbow. More access and easier to shoot. 
 

Com’on Man we heard all these arguments when compound bows came out.

 

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3 hours ago, Belo said:

This is the crown jewel that gets all the likes. Like somehow our disagreement on what should be a legal implement during archery is going to end hunting. Give me a freaking break. This isn't red state blue state. This isn't a bunch of archers joining PETA. It's an internal debate that does nothing to hurt hunters in our fight to protect our sport. I would give every single one of you the shirt off my back or help you track a deer even if it was with a crossbow. I'm a hunter first. Recruitment is up with our without crossbow and you and I feeling different about it doesn't somehow change an ounce of legislation for the NY state hunters that would do anything to take away or limit our rights. 

I'd go so far as saying this. Instead of giving your hard earned dollars to the NYCC or NYB, why not give it to the NY BHA? How about giving it to SCOPE? Better yet, volunteer at one of the public land trail cleanup events. Even better, mentor a new hunter. There's a few members here who run farm to table programs and practice the 3 R's. If you're so worried about "divided we fall" and unfounded claims of a dying sport, then that should be your focus. Not the f'n crossbow.

Tell me how giving money to those organizations whose sole intent is to recruit and protect the lands and sport isn't better than giving it to a bunch of lobbyists who are backed by billion dollar corporations intent on selling crossbows or compounds so you can hunt "differently". 

 

I'll wait and tell me if i'm missing something please let me know.

Your talking bullshit again.  You don’t want Xbow because YOU don’t like it. Period.       An Xbow season of its own during bow seasons would be like muzzy season happing during gun season. Just all implemented with their own tags.   

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7 minutes ago, mike103 said:

Yes I agree more people are bow hunting because of increased access and bows are now easier to shoot. 
 

Just like Xbow. More access and easier to shoot. 
 

Com’on Man we heard all these arguments when compound bows came out.

 

that is a totally subjective take. None of us have any facts or data to show why archery hunting is up, hell you don't even need an archery tag for crossbow, so unless we can find the sales by implement by season we can't even continue this. 

glad you're at least off your "its dying" stump though. 

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4 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

Your talking bullshit again.  You don’t want Xbow because YOU don’t like it. Period.       An Xbow season of its own during bow seasons would be like muzzy season happing during gun season. Just all implemented with their own tags.   

uh yeah captain obvious, isn't it clear that i don't like them and that's why i dont want them lol

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I still don't see why we need graphs and stats. , we have a slight upward trend in the recruitment of hunters, that's great. But I still have not heard one valid reason as to why we should not include crossbow in the archery season, what are you bowhunters so scared of? I have not heard one valid reason? I just don't get it. Why the kickback?

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This graph was taken from a year 2000 report about deer hunting in NYS. 
 

Notice we are now below the graph they used. 

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Just now, NYBowhunter said:

I still don't see why we need graphs and stats. , we have a slight upward trend in the recruitment of hunters, that's great. But I still have not heard one valid reason as to why we should not include crossbow in the archery season, what are you bowhunters so scared of? I have not heard one valid reason? I just don't get it. Why the kickback?

A very good question. 

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39 minutes ago, NYBowhunter said:

I still don't see why we need graphs and stats. , we have a slight upward trend in the recruitment of hunters, that's great. But I still have not heard one valid reason as to why we should not include crossbow in the archery season, what are you bowhunters so scared of? I have not heard one valid reason? I just don't get it. Why the kickback?

  Did you not hear Belo. It’s because HE does not like them. Gives you all the info you need to know about that one and the big picture of hunting. 

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15 hours ago, Four Seasons said:

  Did you not hear Belo. It’s because HE does not like them. Gives you all the info you need to know about that one and the big picture of hunting. 

Your right. No sense to continue.

Xbow is a legal weapon.

Now we are just fighting for more access.

Truth be told as I already stated the Xbow limitations annoy me more than the additional two weeks. 
 

I’ll just buy myself a new bow and pat myself on the back when I kill a deer with it like I was William Tell.  

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26 minutes ago, Four Seasons said:

  Did you not hear Belo. It’s because HE does not like them. Gives you all the info you need to know about that one and the big picture of hunting. 

Now if that's true, that is just silly. What's not to like, they are cumbersome yes but fun as heck to shoot. I've heard everything from the bowhunter aficionados  that the reason we want to hunt with a crossbow is because we are lazy,we are a buch of hunters that want  instant gratification,  we don't want to put the time in to be proficient with a bow etc... but not one valid reason to not include crossbow. It boggles my mind...lol.. I just don't get it. What makes these people tick....lol

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Put the time in has become a joke.

My nephew bough a bow last summer and killed a huge buck on Long Island with it. I posted the pictures in the harvest thread.

Modern bows with fiber optic sights, trigger release and light weight materials are easy to shoot. 
 

The purists fought against compound bows and trigger releases years ago.

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On 3/6/2021 at 12:39 PM, DirtTime said:

It doesn't, I did not even say or hint at that. I said I was not for inclusion for people who are too lazy to use a real bow. I also said I didn't have an issue with those who can't physically use a regular bow to have full inclusion. Listen, I've about had enough of people here shoving your opinions down others throats, read my signature! I have a god damn right to my opinion the same as anyone 

By real bow you mean a wooden long bow right? Not a mechanical wheeled compound with a trigger assisted release. Cause long bow hunters are the only real bow hunters. 

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So much whining. People use whats most efficient and convenient. Why not. Were all trying  to feed families and have fun. If you dont like it dont  do it. Pretty simple!!! Waaahhhhh waaaahhhhh 

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On 4/7/2021 at 9:21 AM, Belo said:

counter point. How is a crossbow user not inferior to an archer? 

I think the main point that you are missing is that somewhere in NY, there is a 93 yr WW2 veteran who bow hunted for many years with a recurve, then a few more with a compound.   He would really like to get out again before the weather gets too cold, with his 14 year old great-granddaughter.  She has recently taken an interest in deer hunting.  Problem is, his old shoulders are just not up to it.  Weighing just 87 pounds, she also struggles a bit with a vertical bow.

The crossbow could let them spend some quality time in the outdoors.  A few, well-organized "selfish elitists" are holding them back.  You must be very proud of your achievements.  It looks like you got at least one more year when no "inferior" is going to get "your" buck before the cold weather and the peak of the rut. Bravo tough-guy.

ps, if you think a guy that survived Iwo Jima is going to ask for a Dr's excuse to use a crossbow early now, you got another thing coming.

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Like I have said before. The only way to end all the bickering among  hunters and special interests is to have one season, whatever the dates, and allow each hunter to fill all of his or her tags with the legal weapon of their choice any time during the open season.

I am not interested in crossbows but have no objection to someone else using them. Who should  care what legal weapon you use to fill your tags and freezer?

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8 minutes ago, Steve D said:

Like I have said before. The only way to end all the bickering among  hunters and special interests is to have one season, whatever the dates, and allow each hunter to fill all of his or her tags with the legal weapon of their choice any time during the open season.

I am not interested in crossbows but have no objection to someone else using them. Who should  care what legal weapon you use to fill your tags and freezer?

The problem with such a free for all, is that most deer quickly go full nocturnal once guns start going off.   It makes more sense to have an archery season first.   What I would like to see is open deer season for recurve and longbow on October 1, compounds and crossbows on October 15, and leave gun and ML as current.

That gives the true "traditionalists" a well deserved "jump start" but sticks it to the "cupcakes" (compound only users who oppose the crossbow).

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4 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

 

That gives the true "traditionalists" a well deserved "jump start" but sticks it to the "cupcakes" (compound only users who oppose the crossbow).

That’s really really funny!!

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1 minute ago, wolc123 said:

The problem with such a free for all, is that most deer quickly go full nocturnal once guns start going off.   

Not in these parts. They are going nocturnal way before gun season. Trail cameras indicate they are pretty much nocturnal by the last week up October or first week of November. Hard to see one here during the day that time of year.

 Would using guns speed up the process....maybe but they are going nocturnal either way.

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6 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

The problem with such a free for all, is that most deer quickly go full nocturnal once guns start going off.   It makes more sense to have an archery season first.   What I would like to see is open deer season for recurve and longbow on October 1, compounds and crossbows on October 15, and leave gun and ML as current.

That gives the true "traditionalists" a well deserved "jump start" but sticks it to the "cupcakes" (compound only users who oppose the crossbow).

Wrong.  In my area 99% of the land is private property. These laws or regulations will have zero, zilch, nada, null, effects on the deers daily patterns. 

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That’s really really funny!!

You should know that cupcake is my idea for crossbow archery (cupcake archery )stolen by cross gun people they -like to to high jack things just like bow season -can't even come up with a name of their own for hated bow hunters
ILL REPEAT -CROSSBOW IS CUPCAKE ARCHERY


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16 hours ago, Four Seasons said:
Your talking bullshit again.  You don’t want Xbow because YOU don’t like it. Period.       An Xbow season of its own during bow seasons would be like muzzy season happing during gun season. Just all implemented with their own tags.   


We love crossguns just not as archery because it's not-now that doesn't mean it won't be
Getting EDGY you people -only ones talking bs here are the ones spelling it out
You have 2 week season with a cross gun what else do you need -TAG SOUP MUST BE REAL THING OF FEAR


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1 hour ago, Rowdy10 said:


You should know that cupcake is my idea for crossbow archery (cupcake archery )stolen by cross gun people they -like to to high jack things just like bow season -can't even come up with a name of their own for hated bow hunters
ILL REPEAT -CROSSBOW IS CUPCAKE ARCHERY


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There is no doubt that you are the cupcake king.   

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