Grouse Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 HUH?? Never saw this coming. https://www.fieldandstream.com/hunting/arizona-bans-trail-cameras/?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR19k9tCZpkR7w-cFAZwxvMkS5m6WcCBxhnPSQMoTFIn5qvewjju_w1NLQ4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cory Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 This is more than likely a federal government ban so cameras don’t pick up and show the truth about how many people are actually flooding the border. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky118 Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Sounds like another case of hunters being their own worst enemy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knehrke Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Wow, that went political quickly. I've heard for years that the record books were leery of trail-cams because of hunters "making a move" in real time. I wonder how many other states will follow suite (subtext: NY has that border issue with the dang Canadians lol). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneHunter Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYTRPR Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Nobody cares until it happens to them .Bad way to think. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy K Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 On 6/29/2021 at 1:15 PM, WNYTRPR said: Nobody cares until it happens to them .Bad way to think. Expand I dont care one way or the other personally but I do care about the choice being removed. The trend is to take take take ,when is the last time government did the opposite ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 The ban is due to impact on game at waterholes, hunter issues, and then profit/money. The outfitter industry 100% lobbied for it because a ban makes them more money. Outfitter lobbying is a legit thing out west. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northcountryman Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Trail cams are fine IMHO and dont violate the fair chase principle , as long as theyre not being used in a manner which notifies the hunter with automatic pics/ messages so that the animal can be ambushed. An example of this would be you sitting in your kitchen and you receive notification that a nice buck just walked past your cam behind your house and you go out and blast it- is that fair or ethical? Hell no. Now, if you use youre trail cam in the traditional manner by PATTERNING the deer and then ANTICIPATE theyre appearance at a given time of day, then fine. Some may argue both uses are ethical and adhere to fair chase whereas other purists may argue that both violate it- Like avery issue there must be a cutoff and I believe that is where the line should be drawn . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNYTRPR Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 Food plots imo are worse then any camera .I’m against neither . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 What about those bows that allow 90% let-off? What is or isn't in play is slippery slope. No right and universally accepted answer IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglemountainman Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 I don't use them because of my own personal convictions. I don't care, either way, whether others do or don't. I do think that such a ban is going to be pretty tough to enforce. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreeneHunter Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 There probably couldn't be a Ban on Private Property anyway ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted June 29, 2021 Share Posted June 29, 2021 On 6/29/2021 at 3:39 PM, GreeneHunter said: There probably couldn't be a Ban on Private Property anyway ? Expand It includes public and private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglemountainman Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I'm not an attorney, thank God, but wouldn't they need probable cause and a warrant to go looking on private? Seems to me that would get real old, real fast with the judges who have to sign off on all those warrants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtTime Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 Two threads about the same exact topic. One that won't effect anyone really because as I said in the other thread, no one who owns private land is going to take down the older style non-cell cams. Which as said, who cares. I would be curious, if NY did enact this into law what the fines would be? A slap on the paddy and told not to eat at McDonald's for a week? That's the equivalent of 1/2 of a priest ordered Hail Mary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-diealot Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 I thought Arkansas had done it already or had proposed to earlier this year anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-diealot Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 12:13 AM, eaglemountainman said: I'm not an attorney, thank God, but wouldn't they need probable cause and a warrant to go looking on private? Seems to me that would get real old, real fast with the judges who have to sign off on all those warrants. Expand If I recall correctly a DEC agent can go where he pleases which I personally have a problem with. I have heard one friend tell me of coming back down a mile and a half driveway and an agent meeting him halfway up the driveway. I do not recall the reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eaglemountainman Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 8:24 AM, Sir-diealot said: If I recall correctly a DEC agent can go where he pleases which I personally have a problem with. I have heard one friend tell me of coming back down a mile and a half driveway and an agent meeting him halfway up the driveway. I do not recall the reason. Expand Yeah, you jarred my memory. Seems I've heard that about DEC's jurisdiction in NY. But wondering if other states are the same. Still, DEC manpower is stretched really thin already. I can't imagine a concentrated effort to thwart camera users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 12:53 AM, DirtTime said: Two threads about the same exact topic. One that won't effect anyone really because as I said in the other thread, no one who owns private land is going to take down the older style non-cell cams. Which as said, who cares. I would be curious, if NY did enact this into law what the fines would be? A slap on the paddy and told not to eat at McDonald's for a week? That's the equivalent of 1/2 of a priest ordered Hail Mary. Expand There is a very big difference in western hunting vs whitetails. I suspect the financial impact to being caught will be a determining factor. Akin to some states that charge fines based on trophy status of the game. Would believe that a cam used to aid in killing a trophy bull probably going to cost five figures between the charges. I don't think it's going to be a bigger factor for whitetail hunting for some time. I could be wrong but we don't have the constraints of water holes and smaller herd sizes on larger animals...Plus most agenices know that tech integration is just the next evolution of animal control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grouse Posted June 30, 2021 Author Share Posted June 30, 2021 Lots of folks who don't hunt enjoy using trail cams. Will they be banned for recreational wildlife photography too? This is why laws require a lot of debate prior to passing. Lawmakers often have no clue what unitentional harm their laws will do until they pass them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted June 30, 2021 Share Posted June 30, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 7:51 PM, Grouse said: Lots of folks who don't hunt enjoy using trail cams. Will they be banned for recreational wildlife photography too? This is why laws require a lot of debate prior to passing. Lawmakers often have no clue what unitentional harm their laws will do until they pass them. Expand The ban is for hunting purposes before season would be fine the way I understand it. Sounds like it was spurred on by cell cam.cameras . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Real_TCIII Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 8:21 PM, G-Man said: The ban is for hunting purposes before season would be fine the way I understand it. Sounds like it was spurred on by cell cam.cameras . Id be all for this. Dont @ meSent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 7:51 PM, Grouse said: Lots of folks who don't hunt enjoy using trail cams. Will they be banned for recreational wildlife photography too? This is why laws require a lot of debate prior to passing. Lawmakers often have no clue what unitentional harm their laws will do until they pass them. Expand It’s for hunting but it wasn’t lawmakers (legislators as we are used to) it was the game commission board. Unanimous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phade Posted July 1, 2021 Share Posted July 1, 2021 On 6/30/2021 at 8:21 PM, G-Man said: The ban is for hunting purposes before season would be fine the way I understand it. Sounds like it was spurred on by cell cam.cameras . Expand It’s a year round ban. Starts Jan 1. It’s not driven by cell cams. Misinformation right there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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