Concealed carry

[Zem18]

Saw this at work today and thought I'd share it for those that carry, those thinking about carrying, and those who don't see a need to carry. You just never know.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/15/passerby-shoots-kills-motorist-assaulting-deputy-after-traffic-stop.html?ref=yfp

Some decent comments as well and of course some trash ones so everyone can voice their opinion.

[Hock3y24]

Won't leave my house without at least my .380.

[rob-c]

Always have my lcr 38+p on me where legal to carry 

[Bionic]

I never leave without my .45

the world is nuts, and as the article pretty much shows that you just never know....

Edited November 24, 2016 by Bionic

[Nomad]

Almost always . There was a time for me a 4 inch L frame .357 which made concealment a challenge . Today there are so many choices that are easy to carry , makes it hard to find an excuse not to .

At least my SW Sheild in 9mm , so flat and comfortable I leave it on at home all night .

In a couple  hours I'll have a .270 in my hands and that 9 on my belt .

[ATbuckhunter]

Concealed carry is a wet dream for me here in NYC. Maybe if I leave the city, but as of now the odds are so stacked up against me 

[Gencountyzeek]

.380 s&w bodyguard in the warmer months. Glock 26 9mm in the colder months. Had the glock on me yesterday night while I followed the wife around shopping.

[Trial153]

Right now my current EDC switches between a Glock 43 and. FNS 9c ....

[Elmo]

10 hours ago, ATbuckhunter said:

Concealed carry is a wet dream for me here in NYC. Maybe if I leave the city, but as of now the odds are so stacked up against me 

Same here.  Several times, I've considered a premise carry with hunting privileges but do I really want to spend several hundred dollars every few years just to have a side arm while carrying a rifle while hunting?

[ATbuckhunter]

6 minutes ago, Elmo said:

Same here.  Several times, I've considered a premise carry with hunting privileges but do I really want to spend several hundred dollars every few years just to have a side arm while carrying a rifle while hunting?

We already have to do that with long guns so itll be 600 bucks every few years to have a pistol and long gun license. Sometimes it really blows to be in the city. 

[Deerstalker]

7 minutes ago, Elmo said:

Same here.  Several times, I've considered a premise carry with hunting privileges but do I really want to spend several hundred dollars every few years just to have a side arm while carrying a rifle while hunting?

I think in nyc it will cost thousands of dollars you need a lawyer if im not mistaken to get one there .

[ATbuckhunter]

7 minutes ago, Deerstalker said:

I think in nyc it will cost thousands of dollars you need a lawyer if im not mistaken to get one there .

Even then you are highly unlikely to get one. 

[philoshop]

There is a very disturbed group of idiots in this country who firmly believe that police officers have no right to defend themselves against attack. Heck, we have one of them right here on this site.

I have no idea how this 12-year veteran officer found himself in the situation described, but I'd be willing to bet that in that split second of decision-making he mistakenly took the beliefs of the above-mentioned idiots into account. The leftist anarchists own this completely, IMO.

[Jeremy K]

8 hours ago, Elmo said:

Same here.  Several times, I've considered a premise carry with hunting privileges but do I really want to spend several hundred dollars every few years just to have a side arm while carrying a rifle while hunting?

Did they make pistol permits renewable now? 

[Core]

20 hours ago, ATbuckhunter said:

Concealed carry is a wet dream for me here in NYC. Maybe if I leave the city, but as of now the odds are so stacked up against me 

It's not that bad. At least you can carry a knife for self defense. Oh, wait that's illegal. Well, at least you can carry a tazer--oh, those are illegal, too.

I still don't have a pistol, but I have a bad ass can of pepper spray. One day I would like to go through the 3-4 references I need. At least I'm in a "friendly" county and don't have to worry about an unfriendly judge (I don't think).

[Trial153]

Did they make pistol permits renewable now? 

There is no expiration date on my license

[Nomad]

I think they may be talking NYC specific . But the un SAFE act made permits renewable every, 5 years ? , however nobody has a plan in place to do it .

Kinda like the background check for ammo,purchases .

[ATbuckhunter]

It's not that bad. At least you can carry a knife for self defense. Oh, wait that's illegal. Well, at least you can carry a tazer--oh, those are illegal, too.

I still don't have a pistol, but I have a bad ass can of pepper spray. One day I would like to go through the 3-4 references I need. At least I'm in a "friendly" county and don't have to worry about an unfriendly judge (I don't think).

You can carry knife but it has to be under 4 inches and not a spring. Assisted knife. Even then you aren't guaranteed to not have a hard time or even get arrested. An electrician was arrested a few years ago for having a craftsman knife that he used for electrical work. Of course he was released and sued the NYPD. NYC has some ridiculous laws and numerous cops that don't fully understand a lot of them.

[chenango]

Pistol permit recertification plan

• Quote

This should be shared with all legal gun owners in New York State - Notes from the September 20, 2016, representatives of the NY State Police - Fall Conference of the New York State County Clerk’s Association.

Brian Olesen

1) Speaking on behalf of the State Police was Lieutenant David Stebbins, who is the new head of the Pistol Permit Bureau.

2) The State Police will be launching a web site where Pistol Permit Licensees can be re certified either online or by downloaded paper form.

3) There is no Scheduled launch date for this web site or the re certification process. Only the due date, January 31, 2018 for all license issued prior to January of 2013.

4) The filer will need to provide certain identifying information, address, etc. and will need to list on this application all handguns that they possess. This is pistol only, not long riffles.

5) The re-certification transaction is between the State Police and the Filer, not the County. The County will be involved to rectify issues that arise such as when the information on the re-certification differs from what the State Police have.

6) During this process the County Clerks will receive information on who has re-certified so that they can mark their records accordingly.

7) The State Police will contact the filer to resolve any discrepancies between the application and their existing records.

The goal of the State Police is to create a database for use by law enforcement, Licensing Officers, and Mental Health.

9) All applications will be cross checked against the data bases of DMV, Mental Health and Federal Criminal Data Files

10) It was not clear if the State Police would be sending out individual notification letters to permit holders by mail or use other means such as email.

11) The State Police WILL NOT be issuing a card stating a permit holder is re-certified. The permit holder will be receiving a letter stating that their permit has been re-certified.

12) There will be no requirement that a permit holder carry proof of re-certification.

13) The State Police will be creating an online data base to check re-certification for
Law Enforcement
Licensing Officers

14) The responsibility of the permit holder will be fulfilled when the re-certification form is submitted to the State Police. Thus, if a problem arose where re-certification was delayed, but submitted before the deadline, licensee is still legal.

15) If the form is submitted electronically the permit holder will receive a receipt that can be printed out.

16) If submitted by mail it was recommended that the application be sent by certified mail so that there will be proof of mailing.

17) The State Police pistol permit office is comprised of four sworn officers and 20 civilians.

18) The new Lieutenant in charge is David Stebbins and his contact information is:
Pistol Permit Bureau
1220 Washington Avenue, Building 22
Albany, NY 12226-2252
Phone: (518) 464-7120
Email : [email protected]

19) At the end of re-certification. The State Police will send to the licensing officer (County Clerks) a list of people who are in their records and did not re-certify.

20) The Safe Act states that upon a failure to re certify, the permit SHALL be revoked. The State Police were uncertain if the revocation was automatic or if the licensing officer had to act.

21) The State Police indicated that the County Clerks will be responsible for taking action to send a permit for revocation, and if the revocation is not automatic, the licensing officer (Judge) will have to affirmatively take action to revoke.

22) So far the State Police have not been working with the Office of Court Administration to answer this question and discuss possible procedures.

23) The exact process of revocation for has not been set and remains murky. This includes who would be responsible for investigations of the lapsed permits for either gun location or retrieval, as well as whether a judge may revoke, then immediately re-issue.

24) It was stressed that the Role of the State Police is as record keepers, not licensing officers making decisions on individual permits.

25) It was mentioned that there is an exemption from revocation in the law for persons who have not been notified of their need to be re-certified because of change of address.

Please note the above items are my best recollection from the presentation and thus may be a less than perfect interpretation. I have had these comments reviewed by a few Clerks who were present for their corrections and comments.

Also below is the actual section of the safe act that refers to re certification:

Penal Law 400.10 (B)

(b) All licensees shall be recertified to the division of state police
every five years thereafter. Any license issued before the effective
date of the chapter of the laws of two thousand thirteen which added
this paragraph shall be recertified by the licensee on or before January
thirty-first, two thousand eighteen, and not less than one year prior to
such date, the state police shall send a notice to all license holders
who have not recertified by such time. Such recertification shall be in
a form as approved by the superintendent of state police, which shall
request the license holder's name, date of birth, gender, race,
residential address, social security number, firearms possessed by such
license holder, email address at the option of the license holder and an
affirmation that such license holder is not prohibited from possessing
firearms. The form may be in an electronic form if so designated by the
superintendent of state police. Failure to recertify shall act as a
revocation of such license. If the New York state police discover as a
result of the recertification process that a licensee failed to provide
a change of address, the New York state police shall not require thelicensing officer to revoke such license.

[hunter]

As far as carrying a knife in NYC I believe the max blade length is now 2.75" but it must be visible not in pocket and not clipped on pocket with the knife inside the pocket. I saw some guys carrying their knives clipped to pockets but with the knife on the outside. I think a belt sheath is legal with the correct length knife.

[ATbuckhunter]

19 minutes ago, hunter said:

As far as carrying a knife in NYC I believe the max blade length is now 2.75" but it must be visible not in pocket and not clipped on pocket with the knife inside the pocket. I saw some guys carrying their knives clipped to pockets but with the knife on the outside. I think a belt sheath is legal with the correct length knife.

4" is still the legal max length, but sometimes officers will use a highly inaccurate rule of a 4 finger length. As far as i know it doesn't have to be hidden, but expect to be stopped if its not. 

Edited November 26, 2016 by ATbuckhunter

[Core]

4 hours ago, ATbuckhunter said:

You can carry knife but it has to be under 4 inches and not a spring. Assisted knife. Even then you aren't guaranteed to not have a hard time or even get arrested. An electrician was arrested a few years ago for having a craftsman knife that he used for electrical work. Of course he was released and sued the NYPD. NYC has some ridiculous laws and numerous cops that don't fully understand a lot of them.

Yep and even then it has to be a utility knife (or claimed to be one). And even then if it's a locking knife it has to in theory be impossible to open by grabbing the blade and whipping the handle open (which in this context excludes almost all locking knives). I believe the NY gun laws are deliberately vague so that the police can basically pile on a charge if they feel like it.

I carry a 3" blade locking knife fwiw. It can be flicked open but whatever.

Edited November 26, 2016 by Core

[ATbuckhunter]

8 minutes ago, Core said:

Yep and even then it has to be a utility knife (or claimed to be one). And even then if it's a locking knife it has to in theory be impossible to open by grabbing the blade and whipping the handle open (which in this context excludes almost all locking knives). I believe the NY gun laws are deliberately vague so that the police can basically pile on a charge if they feel like it.

I carry a 3" blade locking knife fwiw. It can be flicked open but whatever.

Pretty much that's it. The laws have to be vague in order to apply it to all situations, but NY probably makes it more vague than others. 

[Buckmaster7600]

I don't leave home without one, I carry everything from a 22 to a 454 depending on how I feel that day.


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[fasteddie]

I posted this Nov 11 from a local paper