LIVE From The Woods 2018 - Lets hear stories and see some pictures!

[Five Seasons]

8 minutes ago, OtiscoPaul said:

So you guys cleaned the house?

yes. all the nooks and crannies... and i mean all 

[greg54]

17 minutes ago, Belo said:

was this by hard rd? saw a dead doe there over the weekend. 

Near Hartland Rd. in Niagara County.

[Steuben Jerry]

47 minutes ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

About 10yrs ago I shot a doe with fawns on oct 15, heard her crash waited an hr went looking for her and she had 2 fawns trying to nurse while she layed there dead. I had to chSe the fawns away to gut her, after that it’s just something I don’t want to do. I ask won’t shoot a doe with a fawn because I don’t like seeing the fawns walk around aimlessly for the rest of the season. I’m sure they survive fine but I don’t need meat bad enough to shoot a doe with a fawn.


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Certainly understandable. Though that does make it harder in my area. I almost never see a doe without fawns.

[nodeerhere]

1 minute ago, Steuben Jerry said:

Certainly understandable. Though that does make it harder in my area. I almost never see a doe without fawns.

You have to wait till the buck chases the doe off the fawns. I agree with buckmaster. I also can shoot them with fawns anymore. Had a very similar experience! 

[Five Seasons]

14 hours ago, chefhunter86 said:

I never understood people not wanting to shoot a doe with a fawn this time of year? They are 100% ok on their own at this point... in just a few short weeks momma will be ignoring them any way. Plus it’s already been proven they get adopted by other does any way


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2 reasons. 

1. Most of us are still humans. Many of us fathers and mothers. So, despite how macho some of you act, it's not super easy to willingly end the life of a doe with a fawn. What mother nature does in a couple weeks or so is out of our control. Let me know when you're gutting a big breeder in december during mz and a fawn comes up and starts crying at you. That is one of my worst hunting memories. 

2. Many don't shoot doe early pre or during during rut because local does are better bait than anything else out there. 

Edited October 15, 2018 by Belo

[ApexerER]

14 hours ago, chefhunter86 said:

I never understood people not wanting to shoot a doe with a fawn this time of year? They are 100% ok on their own at this point... in just a few short weeks momma will be ignoring them any way. Plus it’s already been proven they get adopted by other does any way


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To each their own. I have no problem with people shooting a doe that has a fawn but if I see the fawn momma doe will get a pass from me. About 30 years ago my father shot a doe that had a fawn with her.  Dropped her where she stood. The fawn started bleating like crazy in what my Dad described as whaling and was nosing its mom to get up. My Dad had to chase it off to gut her and the whole time he was gutting her the fawn kept walking around 15 yds away whaling. Even followed my Dad as he started to drag the deer when he again chased it off. My Dad never shot another doe and that isn't something I want to see happen if I shoot one. I am perfectly happy to watch them and enjoy the experience. 

[Nomad]

39 minutes ago, Belo said:

was this by hard rd? saw a dead doe there over the weekend. 

I used to kill many in the woods of Hard rd . My kids would just run them down on the road though .

To built up to hunt now, leaving cars as the only option .

[OtiscoPaul]

18 minutes ago, Belo said:

2 reasons. 

1. Most of us are still humans. Many of us fathers and mothers. So, despite how macho some of you act, it's not super easy to willingly end the life of a doe with a fawn. What mother nature does in a couple weeks or so is out of our control. Let me know when you're gutting a big breeder in december during mz and a fawn comes up and starts crying at you. That is one of my worst hunting memories. 

2. Many don't shoot doe early pre or during during rut because local does are better bait than anything else out there. 

In my limited experience bucks breed the first accepting doe.

If that is the case then a glut of does is going to make his search shorter in distance and duration.

[OtiscoPaul]

40 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

To each their own. I have no problem with people shooting a doe that has a fawn but if I see the fawn momma doe will get a pass from me. About 30 years ago my father shot a doe that had a fawn with her.  Dropped her where she stood. The fawn started bleating like crazy in what my Dad described as whaling and was nosing its mom to get up. My Dad had to chase it off to gut her and the whole time he was gutting her the fawn kept walking around 15 yds away whaling. Even followed my Dad as he started to drag the deer when he again chased it off. My Dad never shot another doe and that isn't something I want to see happen if I shoot one. I am perfectly happy to watch them and enjoy the experience. 

Again I respect everyone's choice on harvests as described but I would feel remiss not to mention hunters are actively seeking to end life and obviously the preference is in quick and painless but I also don't kid myself into thinking the animals are happy about it one way or the other.

You can always tell when I wish I was hunting instead of indoors when you see this many of my dumb opinion posts...

Anybody see any good pre-ruttin?

Edited October 15, 2018 by OtiscoPaul

[BigVal]

1 hour ago, Buckmaster7600 said:

About 10yrs ago I shot a doe with fawns on oct 15, heard her crash waited an hr went looking for her and she had 2 fawns trying to nurse while she layed there dead. I had to chSe the fawns away to gut her, after that it’s just something I don’t want to do. I ask won’t shoot a doe with a fawn because I don’t like seeing the fawns walk around aimlessly for the rest of the season. I’m sure they survive fine but I don’t need meat bad enough to shoot a doe with a fawn.


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Exactly my feeling and experience. A sight I'll never forget..

[BizCT]

Made it out Friday evening for a beautiful sit, especially compared to the first 2 morning where it rained on me. Still can't hear the deer moving through the wet ground but had shots at a doe with a fawn and this 7. I'm happy to have had some action. Saturday night the in-laws watched our kids so the wife and I stayed up drinking and some other extracurricular activities. So needless to say I didn't make it out Sunday morning and Sunday afternoon I was too busy with football and chores. 

Nice 7! Any pics/videos of the activities between you and the Mrs?


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[ApexerER]

23 minutes ago, OtiscoPaul said:

Again I respect everyone's choice on harvests as described but I would feel remiss not to mention hunters are actively seeking to violently end life and obviously the preference is in quick and painless but I also don't kid myself into thinking the animals are happy about it one way or the other.

You can always tell when I wish I was hunting instead of indoors when you see this many of my dumb opinion posts...

Anybody see any good pre-ruttin?

Well I am pretty sure nobody here thinks a deer is happy to get a sharp object stuck through their body or a round through the vitals.  Or much worse a non fatal or long suffering wound. We as hunters have a responsibility to put the animal we are hunting down with as little suffering as possible. We have to be ok with the decisions we make in the woods. If I was to shoot a big fat momma doe and then watch a fawn crying, lost, circling its mom. Then I wouldn't be ok with that decision no matter how perfect the shot was I placed on momma. There are other hunters that would just think well, that's nature and others where the food provided by momma doe is of great value to them.  They are ok with their decisions and there is nothing wrong with their choices either. All are perfectly legal. We all have to do what we are ok with within ourselves. 

[BowmanMike]

5 minutes ago, Biz-R-OWorld said:

 

Nice 7! Any pics/videos of the activities between you and the Mrs?


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Who would watch a couple clean house? You are a sick puppy biz,haha

[TreeGuy]

Since we are on the topic, I give a doe with fawns a pass for the specific reason I know how hard she has worked to keep those fawns alive. Food, predators, weather etc. I respect her hard work. And that's the exact reason I love shooting mature bucks, they work so dang hard at hiding and surviving I love to end that streak with some hard work on my part.

 

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[Four Season Whitetail's]

3 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

Since we are on the topic, I give a doe with fawns a pass for the specific reason I know how hard she has worked to keep those fawns alive. Food, predators, weather etc. I respect her hard work. And that's the exact reason I love shooting mature bucks, they work so dang hard at hiding and surviving I love to end that streak with some hard work on my part.

 

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Bingo!  Something that fights back of sorts. Make the chase have a real value if lucky enough to win.

[moog5050]

4 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

Since we are on the topic, I give a doe with fawns a pass for the specific reason I know how hard she has worked to keep those fawns alive. Food, predators, weather etc. I respect her hard work. And that's the exact reason I love shooting mature bucks, they work so dang hard at hiding and surviving I love to end that streak with some hard work on my part.

 

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Sounds like you will be in the money soon Andrew.  3-4 shooters in one known bedding area is crazy!  Go get one!

[OtiscoPaul]

56 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

We have to be ok with the decisions we make in the woods... We all have to do what we are ok with within ourselves. 

I believe this is the definition of ethics...totally agree.

Edited October 15, 2018 by OtiscoPaul

[Culvercreek hunt club]

24 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

Since we are on the topic, I give a doe with fawns a pass for the specific reason I know how hard she has worked to keep those fawns alive. Food, predators, weather etc. I respect her hard work. And that's the exact reason I love shooting mature bucks, they work so dang hard at hiding and surviving I love to end that streak with some hard work on my part.

 

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I'm lost. So you respect the doe for her hard work and give her a pass but the hard work the mature buck put in get him a bullet or an arrow? 

[Culvercreek hunt club]

32 minutes ago, ApexerER said:

Well I am pretty sure nobody here thinks a deer is happy to get a sharp object stuck through their body or a round through the vitals.  Or much worse a non fatal or long suffering wound. We as hunters have a responsibility to put the animal we are hunting down with as little suffering as possible. We have to be ok with the decisions we make in the woods. If I was to shoot a big fat momma doe and then watch a fawn crying, lost, circling its mom. Then I wouldn't be ok with that decision no matter how perfect the shot was I placed on momma. There are other hunters that would just think well, that's nature and others where the food provided by momma doe is of great value to them.  They are ok with their decisions and there is nothing wrong with their choices either. All are perfectly legal. We all have to do what we are ok with within ourselves. 

This assignment of Disney emotions to them is driving me nuts. Happy, crying? 

[OtiscoPaul]

41 minutes ago, Four Season Whitetail's said:

Bingo!  Something that fights back of sorts. Make the chase have a real value if lucky enough to win.

I get it and respect it but...

To be clear the fighting back a buck does is hiding like a punk all day cuz he only has one belly to feed.

Getting drawn on wise doe with other eyes ears and noses in tow is not always as easy as it sounds.

Edited October 15, 2018 by OtiscoPaul

[turkeyfeathers]

Back on track   Who's hunting today ?

[OtiscoPaul]

2 minutes ago, turkeyfeathers said:

Back on track   Who's hunting today ?

Not many and I wish I was...so I got the blabber-thumb

[BizCT]

Who would watch a couple clean house? You are a sick puppy biz,haha

Yes I am sick


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[phade]

When I found out that does are successfully bred at 95+% in my WMUs, and that the chances of a bearing age doe NOT having fawns is very small, I had to stop shooting does or get over it. I got over it. Even if you don't see them, they are there in many cases. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise.

In some cases, killing the mother of a BB fawn increases the odds of that buck not dispersing off your ground.

Everyone has their reasons, but I prefer not to ignore factual information. I'd have to almost stop shooting does to prevent killing one with a fawn. At that point, I am not being a good steward of the herd.

 

And for those that wait for them to be pushed off during rut...in those situations the mothers and fawns reunite after breeding. Typically BB/yearling buck dispersal (permanently) happens later than that.

Edited October 15, 2018 by phade

[ApexerER]

24 minutes ago, Culvercreek hunt club said:

This assignment of Disney emotions to them is driving me nuts. Happy, crying? 

Well like I said in my post, everyone has to be ok with their decisions that THEY make in the woods. Your decisions are obviously different than mine and there isn't anything wrong with that. 

 

Do you have a dog? I almost can't imagine that you do. I am positive my dog has emotions. He is super happy when I come home, ask him if he want to do for a walk or got to the nature preserve. (yes he knows what that mean) When I leave I can hear him crying in the house. When I am leaving and he is all excited and I tell him he has to stay you can see the deflated look on his face.  You don't think its possible deer have those same sort of feelings? When you see a fawn jumping around in a field around its mother you don't think its possible it's happy in that moment. When a fawn is bleating because it lost its mom you don't think it might be sad at that moment?