Sad Time for New York Hunters

[DDT]

MTV started the problem. Gave youths the 4 minute attention span. Now playing with their phones. I hired a 20 year old who went home crying the second day because I told him to put the phone on the car after several mentions about it I said play with it on lunch and your breaks (2).  He was texting his girlfriend constantly. He literally left crying and quit. His daddy called me and wanted to know why I made his son cry.  He got engaged a few weeks later and married a few months after. Still can't hold a job, lives with family and daddy coddles him. And those snowflakes are the future.

[NFA-ADK]

1 minute ago, DDT said:

MTV started the problem. Gave youths the 4 minute attention span. Now playing with their phones. I hired a 20 year old who went home crying the second day because I told him to put the phone on the car after several mentions about it I said play with it on lunch and your breaks (2).  He was texting his girlfriend constantly. He literally left crying and quit. His daddy called me and wanted to know why I made his son cry.  He got engaged a few weeks later and married a few months after. Still can't hold a job, lives with family and daddy coddles him. And those snowflakes are the future.

Scary how our school systems and society is teaching kids how to become an adult who is offended by basically anything and are taught everyone is a winner no matter how you act in the real world.  Snowflake seems to be the norm now and crazy how they are the future!   Example above is spot on and crazy! 

[Jeremy K]

5 minutes ago, NFA-ADK said:

Scary how our school systems and society is teaching kids how to become an adult who is offended by basically anything and are taught everyone is a winner no matter how you act in the real world.  Snowflake seems to be the norm now and crazy how they are the future!   Example above is spot on and crazy! 

Blame the parents 

[BigVal]

It sucks, I graduated high school in 2012 and was one of three people that hunted. Out of like 500 or so. Grandted this was in the suburbs but still a crazy number. I've met alot more people my age since then that are avid hunters and almost all of us have the same thing in common: our fathers and grandfather's passed it on to us. If we can take a young Hunter under our wing and show them the basics of hunting, right from wrong etc. Kids will still hunt(some atleast). It's a shame that hunting is looked down on in alot of schools, even when I went. 

[Doc]

17 hours ago, sits in trees said:

The ages vary, but the ones I'm talking about are the ones who should be starting the American dream with a real career and real jobs and have the money to continue the hunting tradition the way I did when I was young. This so called great economy of young folks working for peanuts with no sick time or vacation time and low pay ,not to mention straddled with college debt does little to help young Americans get into the sport

I get so sick of the lefties trying to poo-poo an obvious rip snorting economy (by any measurement you want to mention) that is staring them right in the face. That is an incredibly cartoon-ish biased opinion, or just plain ignorance. A lie does not become a truth if you say it often enough. 

It was not uncommon back when I came out into the market to have to wait at least a couple of years for a decent car. Today most high school kids are tooling around in brand new cars. I take a look at some of these "mansions" that the 20-something employees are living in and laughing as these people whine about how tough things are today. Second homes are not all that uncommon anymore. Take a look at some of these motor homes that people are cruising around in. They cost more than my house did. And the stock market that has become the retirement income for most retirees is going nuts and restoring all the resources lost during the Bush/Obama years.

Most of the whining comes from those that are just plain lazy and are swallowing up this socialist crap that believes that asking people to work for what they have is a stingy and heartless way to do things. So go pedal your left wing fantasies somewhere else. Nobody is buying into it here. The world is not one big free lunch paid for by the dummies that actually work and produce things.

[Doc]

I heard that a lot of the quality displays and events were driven out by escalating costs of the spaces. So now they sit there not making any money at all and leaving the floundering hunting/fishing/trapping activities that the DEC relies so heavily on, high an dry with no public exposure. Yes I was there back in the good times when I was with the Avon bowmen. It was a wild heavily populated  representation of what those sports were all about. And I know that a lot of kids were exposed to the world of nature and outdoor activities even beyond hunting fishing and trapping. How the region 8 DEC finally decided to abandon outdoorsmen in the fashion they did I am not sure. But a good event was trashed when they kicked the event off the property that we help to support.

[Rattler]

I know a couple of 20ish kids who never went to college.  One is a plumber and is doing very well.  One works on helicopters and travels the country with the salespeople.  One girl is a nurse working as a unit manager.  (Nursing school is not leftist indoctrination college)  One young man is a diesel mechanic making $30 per hour.  One is a carpenter starting his own home improvement business.  One is a body shop guy.  One is a corrections officer.  One is an Airman in the Air Force.  One drives trucks in Alaska.  One is a welder and one does tattoos.  All of these people are living on their own and chasing the American dream.  None of them votes for Democrats either.

[The_Real_TCIII]

They aren't looking hard enough or made poor decisions in acquiring all that college debt. If a person wants to learn a skilled trade there are literally boat loads of opportunities just not many in NY thanks to the high tax environment. . Our apprenticeships for high school grads start out at $19 and hour in MD. Raise every 6 months and we pay the schooling and books. At end of 4 years (22 years old) they are at 38 an hour. another year (23 years old) to make certified craft and that up to $42. Foreman is $46  This program isn't unique.

If I were starting over I’d learn a trade and take some accounting courses online or at a junior college. Carpentry, electrician, or plumber most likely


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[ncountry]

4 hours ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

If I were starting over I’d learn a trade and take some accounting courses online or at a junior college. Carpentry, electrician, or plumber most likely


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I vote plumber and electrician.

Less competition and better pay.

[turkeyfeathers]

23 hours ago, DDT said:

My first job was at the mall in a women's clothing store. I was in charge of the panties table. True story.

Thought for sure this was a Pygmy post until I noticed  lol

[Jeremy K]

1 hour ago, ncountry said:

I vote plumber and electrician.

Less competition and better pay.

Plumber sounds good if it's only new builds ,that first emergency call to someone else backed up shitter would gross me out.

[Doewhacker]

There are some guys on the loading dock for Fed Ex that bring in 60-70 a year riding around on a forklift. Zero education required, you just have to show up and work. 

Same for drivers, after three years you are at max rate and there is so much over time it ain’t funny. 

I am so glad I made the switch from a salaried desk job to one where I control how much I make. And I enjoy it. 

[First-light]

On 9/28/2018 at 8:41 AM, NFA-ADK said:

Not to many new hunters coming into the fray, most are stuck playing games on the computer or playing on the phone.  Sad but this is not just NY it is nation wide.  Hunting and the pursuit of game is on the decline, makes me wonder if hunting will be present 50-100 years from now.  

NFA maybe NY needs to make getting a license easier. I'm going to take myself as an example, please if you think I am wrong let me know. I have a great place to hunt. Had 1 kid so far come up and get hooked. I have two daughters. They both showed interest to hunt but had so many other activities going on it was real hard to make it happen. The hard part was getting them certified. Why can't it be done 100% online? If it was easier to get a license it would be easier to shoot up to the cabin for a quick weekend to see if they like it. I'm just putting this out there because my girls are just so damn busy with sports and studies I would like to see an easier way for them to hunt.  

[land 1]

Whats hard about getting a licenses if I remember correctly its a an 8 hr course and then u can get it?? Some things cant be learned on-line a little hands on stuff is required,, Its been 30plus yrs but it wasnt hard or a reason not to hunt

[turkeyfeathers]

6 minutes ago, land 1 said:

Whats hard about getting a licenses if I remember correctly its a an 8 hr course and then u can get it?? Some things cant be learned on-line a little hands on stuff is required,, Its been 30plus yrs but it wasnt hard or a reason not to hunt

Have you tried to sign up for the class in the last few years ?   There's only but a couple within an hour drive of most people and they fill up quick . I got online at the precise available time to register for my daughters class 2 years ago. In a minutes time I was number12 of 50     Same went for my archery class this past spring.

[land 1]

That would be a pain in the arse,,, like I said its been over 30yrs for me

[Core]

On 9/28/2018 at 10:16 PM, Reb said:

I am in the HVAC field which pays pretty darn good and I can say there is a huge labor shortage,its to the point that companies are willing to hire and train people that have no experience.  These days Anyone,especially young people that say they can't find a job besides a low paying McDonalds job aren't looking very hard.  

The youth are too busy getting degrees in gender studies to help you with that. 

[Jeremy K]

My hunter safety class was interesting . I got there early like many other people and stood in line . One guy had the idea to pass a notebook down the line so we could sign as we showed up in case there was too many people . Sure enough about twice as many people showed up and instead of going by the notebeook ,they did a drawing with tickets and a bunch of the first comers got burned out the class . That guy running the class damn near got dragged outside and beaten by a mob of angry fathers .  Pure butch league that evening.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[cbyzerman]

On 9/28/2018 at 3:02 PM, G-Man said:

thats why i trapped as a kid made 1000 bucks in a few weeks.

Yup....  Made some good money......   I paid for my hockey equipment and leagues one year...  unfortunately fur is not worth anything anymore.......

[turkeyfeathers]

15 minutes ago, cbyzerman said:

Yup....  Made some good money......   .  unfortunately fur is not worth anything anymore.......

As well.   $10 muskrats were a plenty/$30-45 coon / $60 fox and that money added up quick as an 8th grader and freshmen

[erussell]

Use to sound like a war zone in 7s for three weeks of gun.  Now all you here is a few shots first day and maybe a few days after then nothing.

[land 1]

I also use to trap up at 430am before school ran a line of 30 or so traps, got of class skinned and if i needed to went and re-set nomoney in it now but back then im thinking coon was 20 to 35 bucks, I dont think kids are into it I use to sit for hours with my old man and hunt but hell after 15minutes my nephew is like this boring, so we walk then its im tired, or cold and no he's not going to use game stuff and phone while hunting....

[cbyzerman]

Yup,  I also got up to 45-50$ for some mink.......   When your 14 years old that was some high, better than playing with Ipods..........

[DDT]

17 hours ago, erussell said:

Use to sound like a war zone in 7s for three weeks of gun.  Now all you here is a few shots first day and maybe a few days after then nothing.

We always talk about the same thing. I have hunted 8N for over 40 years. Couldn't count the number of shots you would hear.  And deer numbers. My son sat in a stand near Naples one afternoon and said he saw 37 Doe's go by but not a horn. I sat there the next day and saw 37 too, not a horn. We still talk about that.

Those days are gone for sure. Not enough hunters moving deer.

[The_Real_TCIII]

On 9/29/2018 at 3:04 PM, ncountry said:

I vote plumber and electrician.

Less competition and better pay.

And all the side work you could ever want