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Exactly.. much like the Heroin and Meth industry... lots of money and two growing industries that don't make for honorable livelihoods... It's not even the hunting behind a fence that I have a problem with as much as the Frankenstein like genetic mutants that are artificially created by some of these farmers for the sake of profit. But even worse are those that patronize these "evil laboratories" creating a market for such a perverted use of an animal. First, to claim that this business has any claim as helpful to conservation and the future of hunting is ridiculous... then proclaiming how deer farms can somehow be the savior of a threatened whitetail population is just delusional. One can say that as many times as one likes and still be the only one that believes it.

the ducks have arrived here in NY so I came out of my winter trail cam hibernation and put out some cams. after making the rounds last week I was both amazed and frightened at what one of my creekside units had captured. the wood duck drake appears to dwarf the large evergreen tree along side and seems to be taking up half of the width of the creek. estimates put him at 3 meters wide and roughly 500 lbs. not sure I want to go back to that set being that there is a genetic mutant fowl on the prowl. might have to take the shotgun along next time and swap out the #6's with OO buckshot.

Yes without snow I don't think I'd have seen that deer before he saw or heard me... I would have been very upset if the same situation happened and I lost a wounded deer.. I'm sure it would have been nearly impossible to have caught up to that buck again if not for the snow... Thank God things worked out like they did.

Folks are generally welcomed in the 'introductions' section here. Starting off with a rant and digs against most of us is not a good way to say hello.

I agree with the other responses. What a stupid post! Are you related to Belo?

You are painting and stereotyping with a real wide brush. And you seem to be suggesting gun hunting is harder than bowhunting? If so, hard to take you serious at all.

Het hem (cough)...

We need to stop calling it hunting for all but a few enclosures in the states.

Maybe this post should be called "Do A Little Dance - Part II"?? (Here's Part 1 http://huntingny.com/forums/topic/15437-do-a-little-dance/ ) Guess those deer are dancing for the NYCC this time!! Thanks for all your work and efforts Rick and the NYCC!

I'm not one to expose a members PM, but I received this today from Belo: "Yo bro, please don't tell anyone I'm reaching out to you about this. I want to get a crossbow; can you please provide some insight on my options, etc." Just kidding lol Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Kinda funny to see a 2 year old organization put it over on NYB. Cant wait to see who the first anti-crossbow guy on here is that goes out and gets one.

LOL, that was a good one. The sad thing is...I understood what you typed!

I take archery hunting serious, gun hunting is for fun.

I'm serious. Well, that's how I'm hoping it plays out. Who's with me?

Nope. We're going to smile in his face and butter him up. Pat him on the back, then theoretically stab him in it by not voting for him.

Great pics!!

Stubby68 --- You should have stayed in school !

that was painful to read, you're quite the wordsmith............

Proof reading your post will help you get your point across. Do a little research on gun season lengths in some of the "best states" and you'll find them much shorter than NY. To the rest of your post, there's some very valid and true points. Bow hunters are usually the most passionate about deer hunting because the amount of time and effort it takes. We know plenty of gun hunters who just hunt a weekend or 2 and that's just fine. But I believe within any group of people you will find the most passionate members "pushing"and promoting it and unfortunately an elitist mentality forms and we end up putting down others. Look at serious golfers putting down the guys drinking and slicing into the woods, computer gamers putting down console players, the guy with the $4k road bike putting down the trek. Harley's vs Yamaha, Muscle vs rice etc. the list goes on and it's not unique to hunters. The group as a whole in any category will need to stay together against those apposed. Think of motorcycle riders as a group. Many legislation and people against them, and together they can unite to support their cause but within, its sport bikes verses cruisers and manufacturers within groups. And this is even more true with hunting. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

If giving a choice between gun or bow, hands down BOW. If bow season is as easy as you say, than gun season should be banned!! Its a big difference between a 30yrd bow shot and a 30yr gun shot. Last I checked a ton of deer get wounded during gun season. Youth hunt, give them machine guns, I don't care!! Crossbow, have at it!!

What a post, way to go......welcome?

Welcome home Vietnam Veteran and Thank You for your service !

Hunting contests or often held for management of certain game also. But I think the difference, for the antis is that no one is shooting fish with a big, bad dangerous gun. I think that the antis agenda is as much anti gun as it is anything else. IMHO

did not vote not enough info for me 1) I would support if managed correctly 2) yes I think it could if not managed correctly & think there are cases where it has transferred CWD to wild deer I could be wrong on that 3 nope don't really care if I shoot a deer from a farm & would never pay that kind of money to hunt but to each is own I am not one that would bash anyone for the way anyone wants to hunt if it is legal go for it

A farm animal is still a farm animal no matter how big the fenced area is. There is zero hunting involved in fenced in animal killing. I have seen these trophy animals in these places and they lay around like pets, pretty sad. It's only a matter of time before animal rights folks figure a way to shut it down. Or politicians will get wind and regulate and tax the hell out of the industry.

Thats all great information thanks! I will sure to be looking around at all of those. I used to go to the campsite when I was a kid with my dad. It is a nice place just too far for me now. I got the 20g Mossberg 500 field model in wallnut has 26" barrel. Going to try out the mossy oak gun skin to camo it for Turkey. That is my Springer! he's 8yrs old now. He is really a great dog. Very loyal and loves the woods. Just never had time to train him for upland when he was a pup because of my kids.

Hey anyone read the new deer & deer hunting there is a good article on this subject in there also there is one in bow hunter along the same line. I don’t believe deer farming is good for deer hunting or the deer.

That is a great picture by the way! Birds can be tough to photograph, but you did really well for being surprised!

Don't let it bother you Wooley, perhaps we just have more of them down here along the Pennsyltucky Frontier...<<grin>>.. HOWEVER, as a lifelong wildlife observer, there is a phenomenon I have noticed more than once, with more than one species. You will spot a bird that you have NEVER seen before in all of your time outdoors. You will identify it...And then after you know what you are looking at/for, you will begin to see that species on a regular basis. An example...Until I was perhaps 40 years old, I was unaware of the presence of the red bellied woodpecker. Then I had one land on my suet feeder. What a brilliant, unmistakable bird ! After I had seen my "first" one and learned to recognize it's habits and calls, I began to see and hear them all over the place. Now I see them on nearly a daily basis when I am in the woods.. I think that sometimes until you are aware that a certain species exists in your area, you sometimes tend to mistake them for other species that you are familiar with. By the same token I suspect that I mistook rough legged hawks, who are winter visitors here but spend the spring/summer/fall in the artic, for red tails , and mistook short eared owls ( another winter visitor) for some kind of hawk, until I learned of thier existence and learned the fieldmarks of identifying them. Enjoying nature is a lifetime learning experience.

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Southern Erie Lawdwaz. Maybe they're more common than I thought.., but this is the first one I've ever seen around here. I'm usually pretty good at noticing stuff like that, but maybe I've somehow been missing them.

3/27/14 - I finally got a few days off and the weather is starting to cooperate. Decided to hit a new spot because I still have about half the ground covered in snow here so if nothing else I could find some good winter trails, feed and bedding. I did about 6 miles and came out with one dead doe, fairly fresh, and a little bit of knowledge of where I want to start once all the snow is gone. 3/28/14 - I decided to go to one of the farms that I hit back in early January and give it a second go around. I checked the creek bottom where I found an antler in January fairly thoroughly with no luck, but there is still some snow. I moved out onto some golden rod where the snow had mostly cleared. About fifteen minutes into the field I spotted a five point side right on the edge of the woods. I circled the area and ran trails in both directions for a while with no luck on the match. Then I scouted more area to come back to when I have bare ground. I can't wait for the rest of this snow to disappear so I can give them a good run. Took today off to get some work done. Hopefully the rain all night eats away this snow, my brother and law and I are planning on giving it a try tomorrow. Trips: 6 Miles: 31 Sheds: 3 (B.I.L.:0) Deadheads: 1 (B.I.L.:1) Here's another two pics of my b.i.l's deadhead from my camera:

I don't think all the farms are for high fence hunting. I could care less how people hunt as long as it's legal

Finally was able to make it to my bushnell throphy cam, still 6" + of wet snow in the woods.

Two more sets from yesterday (same spot as last 10-pt set). Not bad for an hour walk before work!!! DInkers laying under a pine tree..

Mine is like 7lbs and I spot and stalk with it all the time. There are even lighter xbows out there. I'll be hunting with mine just like I do with a shotgun, sit against a tree morning and nights and walk around during midday Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I like getting them close, just like deer hunting. I dont see the need for any turkeys shot past 35/40 yards. If you cant get them closer than maybe its time to work on your calling or setup. Thats just my opinion. Back to the topic at hand....im going to try the kents and longbeards today and see what happens. Sent from the woods

How very true...

We machined parts for them back in the 90's,before the guy that ran it messed it all up and CP Polk bought them out.In fact I still think I have a machined riser in my conference room.I will look tomorrow if I remember and take a pic.Still one of my favorite old bows.Not fast but would bury deep into anything it was shot at.I killed alot of deer with a Aero Force X-80 and a Lite Force Magnum I had.I would like to find another light force to shoot again

What about Arkansas? Speaking of Arkansas, I never hear anything about that state; is it even a state anymore?

Saw it on Facebook. People where freaking out scared. Person posting it said it came from a great friend who would never lie - sound familiar? Google image search shows it was in a newspaper last fall in the midwest. Same story as always.

Pygmy, you want some of my popcorn, Ill share. Just nevermind that hole in the bottom of the bucket.....

Oboy....Wait 'till I a beer and some popcorn... Okay..Tell me again about tha RABBITS, George....

After reading the post yesterday about papabear losing his keys..., it got me thinking. I bet we'd be able to find them easier if they looked like antlers! So last night I watched some you tube vids on paracord survival bracelets and started tying a few things up for myself. This one was my own original brainstorm that I came up with and finished this morning with some of those old sawed off antlers from those little deadheads I like to collect. Now that I've got the technique down, I'm flying through these babies like a little old lady knitting a blanket,lol Been making keychains, zipper pulls for my pack, bracelets, and I have a few other things in mind. Here's an ATL of what it might look like if you drop your keys!

This camera has been up for over a year and the deer are not spooked by it .......

Thanks for the comments everyone! I guess this is just the kind of stuff that a man dreams up while staring at a pile of antlers, waiting for more snow to melt so he can get back out there to find more. I looked at my little key chains today, and felt like something was missing, so I broke out the Dremel tool and got busy. I'm not a bone carver by any means, but I can draw a pretty decent deer track, so away I went,lol Also learned some new patterns for the braided sections, and ordered a variety of new cordage colors to kill some time if winter lingers on any longer! What do you guys think.... cool or corny?

This is the first bobcat I've had show up on a trail camera. And a buck is still hanging onto that little horn.

I sure doesnt seem like spring , but the youh hunt is a month away.. Good luck to all the youths and for those mentoring or taking a youth out hunting Thank you!!! http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/27836.html

We got one on the trail camera where we hunt.We have night time pics of the yotes leaving that carcass there too.

get some stockings and cut the end off, pull the bird head first through the stocking and freeze........the stocking will keep the feathers nice and flat against the bird and prevent them from getting bent or ruffled.......