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Read the story of this bruiser http://www.nyantler-outdoors.com/tripp-buck.html

Not sure if the daylight one is the same buck or not Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

A big problem is the overall decline in hunter numbers over the past couple of decades, combined with the increase in suburban and exurban deer 'sanctuaries'. Part of this also has to do with rural landowners, whether hunters or non-hunters, who increasingly refuse to allow hunting on their land. I don't have an answer, but over-complicating the rules and regulations certainly doesn't help the situation.

or maybe your buddy is an idiot. Just because it's legal doesn't make it right either. Dark canopies don't provide good light even in NY legal hours sometimes. A field on a fresh snow and a full moon can be more than enough with a scope. You need to be legal AND USE YOUR BRAIN.

If a fellow just happened to pop into this thread and saw the quoted post we'd probably loose our Internet License.

Oh yea ass is better than a mouth Lol

I have my cams located where equipment activity is normal, and I drive up to them with my ATV, swap the card, format the new one and switch the camera on. It is a very short intrusion that the deer are used to. Many times Ill get pics or video of deer walking through minutes or hours after I have been there. Its completely different than sitting in a stand for hours and getting winded by the deer.

Again, the argument against crossbows of it being "an easier way to kill a deer" was the exact argument made against the use of compound bows during the fight for their inclusion into archery season back in the late 70's. Then longbows and mostly recurves where the driving force behind the establishment of a special and separete bow/archery deer seasons. The compounds were let into/allowed in/rules change to permit in the archery season (against much opposition as being too easy) and now they are the standard. That is a fact many of you are too young to acknowledge or too intractable to accept. The old standard, the longbows and recurves are now looked down on by compound bow elitists as too old school and inaccurate/irresponsible and the crossbows are looked down on as too modern technological, too easy to use. Compounds are merely a point in time on the archery, bow season time line. There will come a day in the not too distant future where compounds will be looked down on as the old school inaccurate/irresponsible tool. You're arguments like tons of deer are killed by compounds falls on deaf ears, tons were ethically taken with longbows/recurves before you. Why do compound elitists think the bow evolution should stop at todays compound bows? To them longbows/recurves are not good enough and crossbows too good. They forget where they came from.

Well, I am officially tagged out here in NY until November! Filled my doe tag last week and got on this buck on the past Sunday.Here's the story: A few days ago I pulled my trail cam cards and got this guy on camera. Based on this picture alone, I wasn't sure if I was going to shoot this deer given the opportunity or not. My rule for bucks is 3 years or older and a lot about this picture said 2.5. Well, when I saw him in person I just couldn't let him walk by. I set up in one of my honey hole stands, a point that juts out into a swail grass swamp bordered by a beaver swamp. To my right the acorns were raining down and to my left was a loaded apple tree. About 45 min before dark, I heard a deer walking through the swamp in front of me. Shortly after, I saw a 10 foot tall tree get ravaged so I knew it was a buck, but I didn't know what yet. All I know is that he was taking it out on this tree because all I could see was the top of it swaying back and forth. Then he stepped into view and when I measured up this deer I decided I was going to take him if given the chance. His body, combined with his torn ears and the fact he was unique because Im not sure if ill ever see another 4 point as big as him were enough reason for me to want to take my first buck in three years. He was on a trail that would take him through my shooting lane for an easy 15 yard shot. Being that this is usually how my luck goes, the wind which had been blowing perfectly all day out of the southeast stopped just as this deer decided to stop for a few apples before stepping into the open. When the wind died, it gave the thermals flowing down off the hill behind me the upper hand and right to his location. Some people don't believe in scent control but I am a freak about it and this is one of those times it paid off. He wasn't a dumb deer, within minutes he knew something was up but it wasn't enough to blow him out of the area. However, it was enough for him to want to start heading back to where he came from. He took a few step back in the other direction, away from my shooting lanes, nose in the air and being very cautious. I desperately searched for an opening and I found it. It was the size of a bowling ball, all the way to his vitals at 20 yards. I had to kneel all the way down on the platform of my stand to make the shot. I stopped him perfectly in the opening and watched the arrow sink behind his shoulder. I knew he was done and thats when I lost my composure. Eating tag soup and passing bucks for three years makes this moment extremely surreal. When I walked up on this buck, I couldn't believe the size of his body. The jury is still out on whether he is a 2 or 3 year old buck and even some of the more seasoned reviewers I know are unsure. His face and rack scream 2 year old but his body is that of a solid 3 year old. I am having his jaw read next week. Anyway, here are some pics in chronological order. I will have a video out in a few days. Upstate NY Buck Age: 2 or 3 years old Weight: 178lbs dressed, over 200 live.

The long six month wait is over, felt good to have the fur and footage flying!

My only concern about going late is that I have seen buck with their antlers off later. I know the temps are not great earlier but the odds are an antlerless is a doe then.

Good morning. I am in Indianapolis for work, so this was a nice wake up from NY.

But could kill a buck if it came by. That is the difference

As long as the stand is there for a while, the deer will get used to it. I have never ever ever ever brushed in a ladder stand, and I cant tell you how many deer Ive killed out of them. Also, if you hunt it the same day they may not notice it until its too late. Like papist said, just dont put it right on the trail.

Buckle your seatbelt boys !

You missed! All I kept saying was get back on him! Cool video congrats!

I would think that would be a huge investment for a minimal return....

Good grief - people have to suspect the worst in everyone.

You just told him he was wrong, and then immediately verified his statement.

That was my point. THAT IS the difference between shooting a doe after the 15th and not going into the woods to shoot the same doe prior.

Bow take will not get it done. If what the DEC is claiming is true we could double the annual bow take in these areas and not come close to solving the problem. I don't get the approach of using the least effective weapon. (And I bow hunt)

This right there would actually make a difference. I do not hunt in this area, but if there was an early doe only gun season with over the counter tags, I would probably take a weekend and hunt. The only problem is I believe the over population is really in the areas without public land. If the landowners do not buy into this, nothing will change.

Took a nice dip in some marsh grass , butt is soaked , heard some rattling before light , light rain and no deer so far .... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Another topic where it's "to each his/her own". Whatever works for you, for where & how you hunt! BUT...anyone that keeps trail cams out into bow season knows this. They have somewhat semi-predictable patterns, at least into ~3rd week of Oct. If you hunt food sources, you know they are pretty much out of them 1-1.5hrs after sunrise or same timeframe before sunset into the food. Closer to Halloween their movements start to get really random and super unpredictable! Naturally depending on local food source availability! Then you get into the actual rut & all bets are off! LOL. Bless those of you than can sit all day, but my age induced ADD won't allow for this anymore and I'm pretty much relegated to be a 3hr sitter. Basically, there's no rule of thumb for how long to sit in the AM. Way too many variables; your habits & lifestyle, the food available, the weather, the habitat, time of the season, habits of local deer, surrounding area intrusions by humans, ........ on & on & on!

Don't worry about hunting tomorrow, we will all be fried.

Use this guys spot

I still walk up to my ladderstands, knowing full well where they're at, thinking "Oh S..., someone stole my stand" and not notice them! You would think they would stick out more, but they really don't.

that really has no bearing on the law, but more a case of someone taking a shot that they shouldn't have.

It is interesting sometimes to set free a few milkweed seed from your stand. I always have a small baggie full of them with me. It is very instructive to watch how those things will go out and meander around and circle and do all kinds of things that you would think it is impossible for the wind to do. So when you judge that a deer is downwind of you, that frequently is not the case. There are so many land features that baffle wind around. I used to get a hint back when I smoked by watching the smoke curl out and take right hand turns and left hand turns and sometimes turn around and come right back at me. When I started using the milkweed seeds and got to see the entire path of a breeze, I was shocked. I have sworn that I had killed deer that were downwind, but from what I have since learned from the milkweed seeds, maybe they really weren't. Scent can take a mighty devious and winding way as it travels away from us.

I've only killed one that I know (according to the DEC and my best estimations) of that was 5.5 YO. I THINK I've killed one that might have been 4.5 but I'm probably wrong on that anyway........As far as 3.5 YO, I've killed a fair amount of them. The 5.5 YO I killed had a very plane Jane 8pt rack but was pretty heavy for the Naples area, around 172lbs or so IIRC. He sure didn't look any different when he was dead on the ground to me. Lots of guys on here have killed plenty more and bigger bucks than me so I'm curious what you've killed that have been verified by the DEC or an outside source as 5.5 YO or older. Thanks!

Pretty sure i knkw ages of these 3 buck by previous years pics, what are your guesses? ?? . b. c. 3 different ones, a b c

Hunted up in 3M and didn't see a single doe all day. moved from a bedding area to a spot where they were eating last year and sat for the night and STILL didn't see anything. So at about 6:00pm I decide with an hour hike out and a two hour drive ahead of me Im packing it in. So i set my bow down and the MINUTE a start to climb down a nice sized bear come strolling to my thirty yard line and stops when she hears me cuss looks at me and then runs down to a hill where i have a 40 yard shot and stops and looks at me. I am never leaving stand again till the sun has dropped below the horizon. been out every weekend even in the rain and havnt had any luck. but it all in all it was still a nice sit. First time seeing a bear from stand was cool.

If I had a dollar for every time I've heard that. Guys will pry like hell on the jaw to get it open and look in and say, "hey, this deer has no teeth except up front!!"

460 grain ? What charge are you sending out that ashtray with ?

ahh, no great loss....just wonder how it feels to hunt with a bow he got the way he did.

And this is why I hunt with copper solids.

my question is, if you were to fall with that setup, being that it attaches around your waist, there is no guarantee that you will be right side up if you fall.....is there?

I cant tell you how many deer ive been busted by getting out of stand 15 minutes too early

Heading out withing the hour ..just gotta pick a stand Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk

Me neither, Grampy, but one of my hunting partners killed one with an 18 inch spread down in Potter Co. Pa a few years back.

Go to B&H on 34th street and 9th ave. They will have everything you need for that camera and then some..lol. They even sell trail cameras, scopes, binos, etc..and are very competitively priced.

Mornings I'm usually done by 9:30, gun opener I'll hang in until about noon. Usually put in 3 hours on an afternoon hunt. I did the all day thing before, but I just don't have it in me to sit still all day anymore.

That is one BIG 4-pt... nice story

that makes it a nightmare to administer. Check in of taken does. issue the buck tags. I think they are taking a totally wrong approach in reducing opportunities and expecting a standing ovation. They should have been expanding opportunities if they wanted the program embraced. it would have caused hunters to migrate INTO the impact areas rather than AWAY from the impact areas. It really is simple. Over the counter purchase for those areas and it does not effect the regular doe permit draw. No limit. 9 day GUN season in the middle of September.

Awesome, congrats!! I have a buck very similar to that at my place right now

Obviously you dont understand the concept of not contaminating an area, or possibly getting busted by a buck you are hunting that season when you cant kill him. Cracks me up that someone that has hunted for as long as you cant comprehend it.

I already explained why just a couple of posts ago. As far as what hunting is all about, its different for many people. Not everyone is in it just for meat. For me, I will kill does to keep their numbers in check and get the meat I want to fill my freezer with. I do not shoot every doe I have the opportunity to kill, nor do I keep killing them until I run out of tags. Its based on how many that the group of us feels should be taken of of certain properties we hunt. It doesnt matter what day of the season I kill them, dead is dead at the end of the season. I enjoy hunting deer for a variety of reasons, friends, family, the challenge, being out in the woods, getting away from the hustle and bustle, etc. Im no trophy hunter, but I do have stadards on the bucks I would shoot, and I try not to do things that will unnecessarily lessen my chance at killing the ones Im after.

I still havent gone out, though I am very tempted. I might go sit one of the outskirt stands tonight. I have to go down and swap out trail cam cards anyhow. I just dont want to burn stands when I cant hunt bucks. Ill shoot my does when I do hunt, same as I normally do. I just dont want to be sitting there and have one of the couple of bucks Im after this year, walk by, wind me and become harder to kill later on. The way I look at this is, it doesnt matter what time of the season I kill my does. None of them will be birthing fawns in the spring regardless of if I kill them Octonber 11 or November 30. The DEC is not going to make it 4 weeks next year, they have already established that its a 2 year trial program.

Took a nice doe this am, she didn't go far, quartering away hard.