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New Xbow legislation for 2019 introduced

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Strictly an FYI for those wondering whatz going on this year. Not meant as an open invitation to express your pro/con opinion, yet again! We all know where everyone stands, many times over!

Got this notice from NYCC when cking my eMail late Wed evening. Most interesting provision, if I'm reading correctly, is to allow the DEC to implement Xbow useage, seasons, a legal implement, etc. The bad news is these bills were refereed to each house's Enviro Cons sub-committee. With only ~13 working days left before summer recess, it'd be some unheard of "swift actions" by our NYS legislators to get these bills thru the approval process & on Czar Andy's desk. I'm still unclear about the reference to a "special archery season", WTH is it!?! Anyways, here's the cut/paste body of the announcement, with membership & leg contact pleas omitted...

New Crossbow Bills Introduced
 
Last week Assemblywoman Carrie Woerner and Senator Jen Metzger introduced crossbow bills. These bills are not full inclusion but they offer significant movement toward it. 
 
A7627 (Woerner)/S5818 (Metzger) 
What do these bills do?
  • Changes crossbow to the bowhunting privilege from the muzzleloader privilege
  • Replaces the special longbow season with a special archery season and adds crossbow
  • Allows 12 - 15 year olds to hunt with a crossbow (removes the prior prohibition on 12 and 13 year old's)
  • Authorizes those 55 years old or older to use a crossbow in a special archery season
  • Authorizes those physical unable to draw a longbow as determined by a physician to use a crossbow in a special archery season
  • Allows youth to hunt wild small game and wild upland birds with a crossbow
  • Changes the term bolt to arrow
  • Removes the 200 lb maximum draw weight and the minimum 17" width restriction
  • Repeals the prohibition on the use of mechanical devise with a bow and authorization (permit) for disabled hunters to use crossbows which may be discharged only using one's breath
  • Authorizes DEC to adopt regulations authorizing the taking of wildlife using a crossbow and to include a summary of such regulations in the hunting syllabus
  • Reduces the setback to discharge a crossbow to 150 feet consistent with a long bow 

 

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I actually like this for the most part. Id maybe have the age at 60 instead of 55, but other then that im not oppoosed to any of this. 

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Again... that section allowing 55yo to use Xbows during the special archery season. WTH is that season!!?!!

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I AM INTERESTED!! I would be in the 55 and older catagory. Not really interested in Deer Hunting. But,if there is a early CrossBow Season before the Rifle Season, then, I am interested! As, I have wrote here already-- as a Hiker, I see plenty of nice Bucks in September each year. I sure would like to take my Lifetime goal of 1 Buck. A CrossBow Season would get me in the Woods looking for Deer in the nice Late Sep- Oct Weather. I know where they are through Fall Turkey Scouting and regular hiking.  So this post is from a Hunter who is not really interested in Deer Hunting with a Gun on Public Land in Freezing Temps .  

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5 hours ago, nyslowhand said:

Again... that section allowing 55yo to use Xbows during the special archery season. WTH is that season!!?!!

They have to make a new season to be determined by dec as previous law made it a crossbow/muzzleloader 2 week season in November. Being classified as a bow they cant put it in that season.. but they can make the season what ever they want... so technically could be concurrent with current archery season and thus be full inclusion thru the back door if you will. Wording it so important

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I've hunted almost everyday of my life.. the rest have been wasted!

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This sounds good, I like the introduction of the physical in able to use it and anyone 55 and over. thats great. Though i do see this as a move thru the backdoor as Gman stated. Changing wording around and such... Why would you have to do that, if not trying to sneak your way in.. Jus sayin  

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I guess, I am a good guy to ask about this as a Bird Hunter not really interested in Deer Hunting. Just like there are many hardcore deer hunters who could care less about Spring or Fall Turkey Hunting. Personally- to be able to CrossBow Hunt Deer on Oct 1st in my area-- 3m,3p-- that would be great!  Perfect Weather and even a Deer Hunter with Zero Deer like me might get a chance at a nice racked Buck! I would alternate Pheasant,and Woodcock with crossbow hunting.  I hope this goes through for this Fall.:yes:

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Authorizes those 55 years old or older to use a crossbow in a special archery season

Man do I feel old..........This all looks good to me. 

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I like this proposal. I will continue to hunt with my compound. But on those days when my shoulders just won't allow me to pull the 48lbs on my compound bow, the crossbow will still allow me to be be out there to hunt. At this point, that is the most meaningful thing for me. Just being out there.

Also the designation from Muzzleloader to Archery, makes much more sense. As an archery endorsement would be needed to hunt with a crossbow.

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With such little time left in the session, I'd be shocked if there's much movement on this.


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15 hours ago, grampy said:

.....Also the designation from Muzzleloader to Archery, makes much more sense. As an archery endorsement would be needed to hunt with a crossbow.

... makes more sense and NYS legislation, don't see those terms together a lot!!! Joking,  of course... maybe!

Hope you're saying a bow hunting license with required bow hunter safety course. I'm all-in for that! Which BTW, means it'd be hard to give a specific season date range for Xbows within archery season if a Xbow were truly designated a bow.... Be like telling the long bow hunters they can only hunt a certain date range within the bow season even though they are using a "bow"!!?!! FYI - This whole FUBAR terminology thing got initiated in 2014 NYS Xbow legislation when lobbying groups got their way and Xbows were compared to MLs and that lic was required. Thank you NYS legislators... sarcasm!

Still confused about the "special archery season" verbiage. DEC's website casually mentions it a few times, but there is never a reference to when/where that season exists.

I'd be happy if all but one of the line items were removed from this bill and have it strictly X'fer Xbow regulating authority to the DEC. Where it belongs!!!

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  • Removes the 200 lb maximum draw weight and the minimum 17" width restriction

That part is great news  especially if you  like recurve  crossbows  . 

I think personally the removing the 200ib draw limit really only needs to apply to recurve crossbows that don't have the mechanical advantages of cams  . But what ever  The rest does  not bother me either way . More or  less a Good bill in my opinion.  

 

 

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IRC, the 2014 (current) Xbow regulations with 200#/17" restrictions was a sort of "back-handed" way of not allowing the newly (in ~2014) developed reverse draw Xbows in the woods.

Not to beat a dead horse - but when you put a fanatical lobbyist group and clueless legislators in a room to come up with a bill, this dumb-a$$ stuff happens!

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If they are worried about them getting to powerful  .

The  fair way to do it is just limit everything to a certain fps limit . And let the engineers build them in any shape and form they want .  There is a physical upper limit to how fast then can go anyway .

 

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On 5/22/2019 at 11:25 PM, nyslowhand said:

Not meant as an open invitation to express your pro/con opinion, yet again!

 

pretty sure that's what a forum is about. 

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i've always supported the age and disability thing. Not sure I agree with removing the limitations though. So this muckies up the waters for this bill for me.

also i dont understand this, Replaces the special longbow season with a special archery season and adds crossbow

 

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Assembly Bill A7627A has been assigned a "Same As" bill in the Senate: S5818A

Assembly Bill A7627A has been assigned a "Same As" bill in the Senate: S5818A

Assembly Bill A7627A

Relates to hunting and hunting licenses; repealer

Sponsor:

WOERNER


Recent Actions:

    Review A7627A on NYSenate.gov
 

What this Means:

In New York State, both the Senate and Assembly must pass a bill before the Governor can consider it for signature (approval) or veto (rejection). S5818A is an identical version of A7627A in the Senate. Experienced observers know that a bill with a “same as” in the alternate house is an important early sign that a bill could pass both the Senate and Assembly. It indicates that individual lawmakers in each house are supportive of the bill.

What Happens Next:

The committee may amend the bill to satisfy concerns of committee members, leave it as is, or refer it to another committee for further deliberation. The bill may be reported to the full Senate chamber for consideration if a majority share of the committee members support it. If a bill has not been addressed by the committee by the end of the two-year legislative term, the bill is said to have 'died in committee'.

What Can I Do?

You can subscribe to email alerts for S5818A at the following URL: https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2019/S5818A. Additionally, all members of the Senate welcome legislative feedback from constituents at nysenate.gov. When you use the New York State Senate website to officially support or oppose this bill, your feedback will be shared directly with your senator

 

 

 
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I've hunted almost everyday of my life.. the rest have been wasted!

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^^^ ... and with only ~12 working days (sessions) left to get any progress on these bills, as always being referred to the Enviro-Conser sub-committee  has been a death sentence.

JMO, but think the last minute legislative sessions this year will be filled with debates on legalizing marijuana for Czar Andy. Go figure...!

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^^^ ... and with only ~12 working days (sessions) left to get any progress on these bills, as always being referred to the Enviro-Conser sub-committee  has been a death sentence.
JMO, but think the last minute legislative sessions this year will be filled with debates on legalizing marijuana for Czar Andy. Go figure...!


As they should be. He made it a campaign promise. Not crossbows.


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