So called game changer

[sbuff]

https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/articles/deer-hunting-gear/this-is-a-muzzleloading-game-changer#.XiXAQXtQgik.facebook

[ny hunter]

These are very cool.....Can not wait to try some in my Encore......

[nyslowhand]

Kind of a unique ML system & powder cartridge! What will be more interesting is whether other ML mfgers will retrofit their barrel manufacturing to adapt to these new Firestick load cartridges. If they don't follow suit, Traditions will be left hanging with a unicorn and the Federal Ammo supplied Firesticks will be $$$. Assuming these Firestick cartridges will NOT fit/work with any existing ML'ers!?!

 

[Lawdwaz]

What a bunch of horseshit.........

From the clip....." However, antique firearms and even modern inline muzzleloaders do have their frustrations and limitations. So much so, that the hassle of operating them can be a deterrent for some hunters and can be considered a barrier to enter the sport. "

Hassle???????

 

 

 

Edited January 21, 2020 by Lawdwaz

[moog5050]

Is that not just a deconstructed shotgun shell?   Lol

[NockednLoaded]

4 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

Is that not just a deconstructed shotgun shell?   Lol

@ $3 a pop minus sabot

[UpStateRedNeck]

What's the sticker on that bad boy?  I haven't taken the plunge on a ML yet, that intrigues me.

[moog5050]

i Honestly don’t see that being much more convenient than pouring some premeasured 209 down the barrel, pushing down the slug and inserting a primer.  I guess it takes one step out of the equation.   That must be the step that deters so many from entering the sport.  Haha. 

[moog5050]

21 minutes ago, Lawdwaz said:

What a bunch of horseshit.........

From the clip....." However, antique firearms and even modern inline muzzleloaders do have their frustrations and limitations. So much so, that the hassle of operating them can be a deterrent for some hunters and can be considered a barrier to enter the sport. "

Hassle???????

 

 

 

Cut some slack to the less capable Law. Geeze.  

[WNY Bowhunter]

13 minutes ago, moog5050 said:

i Honestly don’t see that being much more convenient than pouring some premeasured 209 down the barrel, pushing down the slug and inserting a primer.  I guess it takes one step out of the equation.   That must be the step that deters so many from entering the sport.  Haha. 

Buy one of those and that "mancave " buck is as good as on the wall!

[Jeremy K]

Seems like a cure for a nonexistent problem.  

[Stein13]

And one that is going to be expensive to shoot with limited options for finding the perfect load 

[sbuff]

If I understand it, it will be gun model specific. Not much of a market for that if you ask me .

[grampy]

So, once you insert the primer, it can not be removed? Assuming you did not fire the gun, and want to transport it home, it will still be considered loaded with a primer in there, right? Or do you just remove the Firestick and leave the sabot in the rifle? Then you just carry around a wad of powder with a primer stuck to it? I guess no different than a pocket full of cartridges?

IDK??? I'm all for innovation, and cool new stuff. But this seems like a LOT more cost, and doesn't really save much time, than reloading with speedloaders. Or give a distinct accuracy advantage, over loading my inline ML the way I've always done it?

[Five Seasons]

If aliens visited this planet they would question why we didn't just encapsulate the bullet and the primer in one. To which we would explain that we have, many, many years ago. But this is new and makes it easier for us to hunt deer for 10 more days.

If you think of it out of context it's pretty funny. 

[rob-c]

Now when I hunted with a muzzleloader I did so because it was more of a challenge. Guess they are making it less so.. 

[airedale]

9 minutes ago, rob-c said:

I hunted with a muzzleloader I did so because it was more of a challenge. Guess they are making it less so..

No appeal at all for me, growing up watching Disney's Davey Crockett, TVs Daniel Boone and movies like Jeremiah Johnson I got the bug to hunt with traditional muzzleloaders because I like the challenge of those old sidelock type rifles, seems like everything has to be easier these days or it ain't worth the time messing with. I do allow for the luxury of percussion caps  for more positive ignition over a flintlock.

Al

[Deleted Account]

The future of firearms is here! Soon, they will make a cartridge with the bullet included, and that will be a game changer. Just imagine if someone were to develop a technology that would allow these combined primer/powder/bullet cartridges to be fired one right after another, either through a manual slide or bolt, or even through an automatic process using inertia or expelled gases. To think what the future holds!

[WNYBuckHunter]

The biggest benefits I see for this would be keeping things dry and being able to remove the entire charge from the ML instead of just the cap. All you would be leaving in the rifle would be the sabot. It may save a tiny bit of time, but you no longer have the option of fine tuning your load. Most people dont do that anyway, they just buy powder pellets and stuff a few of them down the barrel.

[Deleted Account]

I think the real marketing is "Do you want to hunt during the muzzleloader only season, but hate the idea of having to use a muzzleloader? Well, look no further!"

[The_Real_TCIII]

Thats no longer loading via the muzzle

[The_Real_TCIII]

25 minutes ago, Splitear_Leland said:

The future of firearms is here! Soon, they will make a cartridge with the bullet included, and that will be a game changer. Just imagine if someone were to develop a technology that would allow these combined primer/powder/bullet cartridges to be fired one right after another, either through a manual slide or bolt, or even through an automatic process using inertia or expelled gases. To think what the future holds!

Wed win the war!

[WNYBuckHunter]

1 minute ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

Thats no longer loading via the muzzle

Sure you are, you still have to load the bullet via the muzzle.

[The_Real_TCIII]

2 minutes ago, The_Real_TCIII said:

Thats no longer loading via the muzzle

I retract this I guess, since the projectile is still loaded by the muzzle although you could probably put it in the breech first

[The_Real_TCIII]

Encore owner here, and I wish our ML season was more primitive like Pa flintlock.