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12 minutes ago, steve863 said:

Where does it say it's a go for this year?  I can't see how it could be.  This plan is supposed to change when muzzleloader season is to take place, and you can't change the dates now so close to the muzzleloading season.  The dates are set in this year's regulations and you'd have many who would have no idea that the dates now changed.  You'd have people hunting with muzzleloaders the day after regular season closed when they would not be allowed if this new rule was put into effect this year.  Could these people now face a summons since they were only following the dates set in this year's official regulation booklet??  No way will this change happen this year.  

He didn't say it is a go, but rather, that it "still can" be.  There is a difference.  It sounds like there has not yet been a ruling on if it can go this year.

I believe that you are mistaken, if you think it is too late for this year.  Do you realize that there is almost a month left to make a decision ?  If they decide on December 23rd, modern technology will make it easy to get the word out.

Although I am not banking on it, my guess is that it will happen this year.  The reason being that anything that can help with the covid situation, like getting people outside and hunting,  will not be denied.  Keeping folks in houses, crammed around TV sets, is asking for trouble.

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4 minutes ago, wolc123 said:

 

He didn't say it is a go, but rather, that it "still can" be.  There is a difference.  It sounds like there has not yet been a ruling on if it can go this year.

I believe that you are mistaken, if you think it is too late for this year.  Do you realize that there is almost a month left to make a decision ?  If they decide on December 23rd, modern technology will make it easy to get the word out.

Although I am not banking on it, my guess is that it will happen this year.  The reason being that anything that can help with the covid situation, like getting people outside and hunting,  will not be denied.  Keeping folks in houses, crammed around TV sets, is asking for trouble.

There still can be full inclusion of crossbow as well...... but if you actually read ,it needs to pass and then funds to put into regulation booklet,or notices to get out that its happening, nys is broke, so i would say future means next year. As the alternative clearly states. And as abbigious as its written and 90 day comment period just ended i have never seen nys make a chagne during the season. It would be like cancelling gun season after this weekend  they "could " do that as well. But many would still be out hunting and its why all changes are usually made before new syllabus is printed.

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Like I mentioned earlier, my local DEC officer told me the plan was to hopefully implement it this yr. Weather or not that happens remains to be seen. I not confident it will be this yr, but I'm not putting money up that it won't. 

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12 minutes ago, mowin said:

Like I mentioned earlier, my local DEC officer told me the plan was to hopefully implement it this yr. Weather or not that happens remains to be seen. I not confident it will be this yr, but I'm not putting money up that it won't. 

My cousin is a local DEC officer.  If I see him this Sunday, I will try and get the inside scoop.  Because covid has made this a year of rash decisions, I also would not bet against it.  We are not talking normal times here folks.  

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Where does it say it's a go for this year?  I can't see how it could be.  This plan is supposed to change when muzzleloader season is to take place, and you can't change the dates now so close to the muzzleloading season.  The dates are set in this year's regulations and you'd have many who would have no idea that the dates now changed.  You'd have people hunting with muzzleloaders the day after regular season closed when they would not be allowed if this new rule was put into effect this year.  Could these people now face a summons since they were only following the dates set in this year's official regulation booklet??  No way will this change happen this year.  
I zoomed in for ya....like wolc said....I didn't say it was a go...just that the Dec said there is a chance!48a49c298bbaf41128b3f5877a455f7d.jpg

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12 hours ago, Nomad said:

Each year the snowmobile folks contact our attorney about running the trail through our property, here’s his response.


Virtually every year the club asks for permission to route its winter trail system through the farm. I decline routinely. Although the club pitches insurance coverage and crop replacement and property damage repair in the spring, and touts the generic NYS recreation statute as A level of protection from owner liability, my view is best avoid volunteering an opening that may go wrong or invite some creative lawsuit if a rider ends up seriously injured or dead. 

 
I would never allow on my own land. 

There is a club that goes down the seasonal road by my place. Had all my nice metal posted signs stolen one year and then a stand. I have no proof it was the club and I don't think it was, they are very responsible. The trails they groom opn up the area for other that will take advantage. 

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56 minutes ago, Fletch said:

And as precedence there have been multiple times a rule has been changed after the booklet was printed or been wrong in the book. That said NYS does not move fast or efficient 99% of the time.


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I don't ever remember a change as significant as this one would be in the middle of deer season.  My bet would be that it won't happen this year.  

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Just a FYI the first year the state introduced a youth season it was pretty last minute as I remember. I followed it closely as I had a son that could hunt that season. It was put into law with little to no advanced word. Many of my coworkers were unaware and I spread the word.


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17 minutes ago, ATbuckhunter said:

I read somewhere that it would not effect the opening of trails for the snowmobiles so I no longer see the problem

What ? The opening of the trails is dependent upon us landowners granting permission , and for many of those that do , that’s not going to be till after hunting season ends , lengthening the season pushes that date out .

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What ? The opening of the trails is dependent upon us landowners granting permission , and for many of those that do , that’s not going to be till after hunting season ends , lengthening the season pushes that date out .
Cross that bridge when we get to it......the trail that crosses my lease has maybe been rideable less than 10 times total in the 5 years I have leased the property.

Long story short we would need cold and snow for an extended period of time before Jan. For the trails around me to open.

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I think everyone has their own ideal dates for deer season, personally I would like to see some changes but I'm probably in the minority here. If we do have enough snow to ride I would much rather be on the trails in late December. Even if I have to drive up north to get to snow. 

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12 minutes ago, BigVal said:

I think everyone has their own ideal dates for deer season, personally I would like to see some changes but I'm probably in the minority here. If we do have enough snow to ride I would much rather be on the trails in late December. Even if I have to drive up north to get to snow. 

That's just it ,the season starts october one , how much more time do people need to shoot a deer? 

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13 minutes ago, Jeremy K said:

That's just it ,the season starts october one , how much more time do people need to shoot a deer? 

Me....  I can't get out much during archery do to work.  Next week I'll finally be done with my fall cleanups and can put more time in the woods. I enjoy late muzzle. I've taken some decent bucks, but it's mostly a freezer filler season, so a extra week to fill a tag or two would be great.  

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1 hour ago, Jeremy K said:

That's just it ,the season starts october one , how much more time do people need to shoot a deer? 

How about the snowmobilers buy their own land , problem solved .

Where I am there’s not any state trails , it’s all permission  granted by landowners .

Id say 2 or 3 out of the last 5 gun seasons I’ve had them trespass on our posted  land during the day while I was hunting during the gun season , not really conducive to winning me over to granting permission for their trials to cross our land .

Jeremy , it’s a common misconception that farmers can hunt whenever they want . The guy who owns the farm I hunt ,never made it out in bow and hunted till 9AM opening day, so far . His brother who lives across from my spot ,owns land but doesn’t work the farm ,has a full time job and a side business,I think he made it out twice in bow and opening day . 
Each would benefit from a longer season , farm work is winding down , firewood delivery is mostly done by then as well .

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I want the extra week to hunt for sure. One of the comments made by the snowmobile clubs is that even if they can’t ride the trails, they can do maintenance on them after gun season ends without bothering the hunters.


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Longer season equals more time afield with my Dad and boys. My fall is jam packed with family, full time job, and refereeing college and High school soccer....my days in the stand are limited and seemed rushed.
Don't get me worng I love bow season, but the gun season is much more relaxing for me and to extend it with a longer muzzleloader would be real cool.

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7 minutes ago, mlammerhirt said:

Longer season equals more time afield with my Dad and boys. My fall is jam packed with family, full time job, and refereeing college and High school soccer....my days in the stand are limited and seemed rushed.
Don't get me worng I love bow season, but the gun season is much more relaxing for me and to extend it with a longer muzzleloader would be real cool.

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I don't think you understand how this would work.  Muzzleloader season would be moved from where it is now to Christmas week, so technically you wouldn't be getting more hunting time.  This is the main reason I can't see this being implemented this year since the muzzleloader season dates have been set. 

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I don't think you understand how this would work.  Muzzleloader season would be moved from where it is now to Christmas week, so technically you wouldn't be getting more hunting time.  This is the main reason I can't see this being implemented this year since the muzzleloader season dates have been set. 
I didn't read it that way....when they say additional that means in addition to the current late season.1183dc54053f8840c2f6a052e6b86427.jpg

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15 minutes ago, BigVal said:

There's definitely some misconceptions about how snowmobile clubs and trails operate here. As usual on this site I'm out lol. With that said I would still be out hunting If it does pass. 

I admit i know next to nothing about snowmobile clubs, so I wouldnt mind some education

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