Deer drives

[Pygmy]

28 minutes ago, chrisw said:

How many deer are killed during gun season? How many during archery? If any bullet/arrow has the propensity to wound regardless of scenario then simple math should tell you that gun season would result in more misplaced shots. No? The average bowhunters kills 1 deer every 3 years. This "the bowhunters are wounding all of the deer" BS is outdated.

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29 minutes ago, chrisw said:

How many deer are killed during gun season? How many during archery? If any bullet/arrow has the propensity to wound regardless of scenario then simple math should tell you that gun season would result in more misplaced shots. No? The average bowhunters kills 1 deer every 3 years. This "the bowhunters are wounding all of the deer" BS is outdated.

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[Pygmy]

11 minutes ago, Fletch said:

Trad bow<(less effective than)compound bow<crossbow<flintlock<shotgun<inline muzzleloader<rifle

shooting at running deer<walking deer<standing deer

Not too complicated, shooting at a running deer with a trad bow is on the stupidest end of the spectrum.......

The next thing is why do drives have to be shots at running deer? I guess like most things folks like to generalize. Drives can be safe, slow and shots at standing still deer. Done right the deer will more than not stop often to check their backtrail. Or when given a sharp grunt, bark or even holler.

 

 

I used to holler   "" HEY !!"...  Crude but effective....Been years since I have driven, however..............

[The_Real_TCIII]

I sort of think this Buck was shot with a gun and not recovered and happened to be carrying that bad archery shot, and not recovered. So offsetting penalties

[G-Man]

1 hour ago, chrisw said:

How many deer are killed during gun season? How many during archery? If any bullet/arrow has the propensity to wound regardless of scenario then simple math should tell you that gun season would result in more misplaced shots. No? The average bowhunters kills 1 deer every 3 years. This "the bowhunters are wounding all of the deer" BS is outdated.

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1 deer ever 3 years??  Wow camp is usually 6 or more deer during bow  usually everyone getting on and acouple of guys filling couple of tags... good to know we are way above average

[chrisw]

1 deer ever 3 years??  Wow camp is usually 6 or more deer during bow  usually everyone getting on and acouple of guys filling couple of tags... good to know we are way above average

That is what the DEC figures were a few years ago.

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[The_Real_TCIII]

Hopefully the ballistics forensics can narrow down the shooter. Have you contacted Lancaster Archery yet?

No serial number on the head unfortunately. Ive sent the insert in for chemical etching to see if one is revealed


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[TreeGuy]

How many deer are killed during gun season? How many during archery? If any bullet/arrow has the propensity to wound regardless of scenario then simple math should tell you that gun season would result in more misplaced shots. No? The average bowhunters kills 1 deer every 3 years. This "the bowhunters are wounding all of the deer" BS is outdated.

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I am definitely not with the " bowhunters are wounding all the deer " theory.

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[wolc123]

3 minutes ago, blackbeltbill said:

I know Squat about Deer Hunting- but Pygmy has hunted all kinds of game. He Knows his stuff.

Get yourself a muzzleloader and try the Holiday season. That is the best thing to come along for deer hunters in NY since they gave the crossbow the rut in the southern zone.

[G-Man]

1 hour ago, Fletch said:

Trad bow<(less effective than)compound bow<crossbow<flintlock<shotgun<inline muzzleloader<rifle

shooting at running deer<walking deer<standing deer

Not too complicated, shooting at a running deer with a trad bow is on the stupidest end of the spectrum.......

The next thing is why do drives have to be shots at running deer? I guess like most things folks like to generalize. Drives can be safe, slow and shots at standing still deer. Done right the deer will more than not stop often to check their backtrail. Or when given a sharp grunt, bark or even holler.

 

 

All  kill deer all are effective, it's the hunter who is not proficient with them , I knew a traditional hunter that would put gun hunters to shame.. 

[Pygmy]

4 minutes ago, TreeGuy said:

I am definitely not with the " bowhunters are wounding all the deer " theory.

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Neither am I, Andrew....Many fewer bowhunters than gun hunters...I am the furthest thing from being  "anti-bow"....

[WNYTRPR]

2 hours ago, chrisw said:

How many deer are killed during gun season? How many during archery? If any bullet/arrow has the propensity to wound regardless of scenario then simple math should tell you that gun season would result in more misplaced shots. No? The average bowhunters kills 1 deer every 3 years. This "the bowhunters are wounding all of the deer" BS is outdated.

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About time I’m above avg at something I guess ...

And I know I didn’t say bow hunters are wounding all the deer .It was just my opinion that ,bow hunting overall ,wounds more deer than deer drives .Just a simple ,stupid ,irrelevant opinion really .I could be way wrong too .

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[johnplav]

Tomorrow morning I’m gonna drive a deer to a sitter in a treestand with a crossbow… and he’ll kill it.  

[Enigma]

Much prefer nudging them and bumping them a little to driving them hard. Great way to put some down with some company. 

As far as wounding them, no difference really between methods, bowhunting vs driving them. Its not the type of hunting that matters, its the nimrod pulling the string or trigger. Some are good at killing 'em, some aren't. Just the way it is.

[Shoots100]

If deer are running by the standers during a drive, it's not being done correctly.

I've shot more deer being a driver than a stander, So if your out with a new group, volunteer to be a driver.

 

 

[G-Man]

Drives are very safe 1 person is in charge, standers go to assigned locations and stay there until drive is done even if they shoot world record buck. They don't move so they can see better or to be more comfortable. This is done for safety,  many deer are shot by the " drivers" and they need to know where everyone is to be safe,  shots from standers are not into the drive but are only at  the deer when past or next to the standers.

Over 30 years of driving and only had to kick one person out for not listening.. there are no second chances   rules are absolute.  Family or not.   Also only one ever kicked out of camp permanently  even with the begging to come back  not happening..

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[Fletch]

All  kill deer all are effective, it's the hunter who is not proficient with them , I knew a traditional hunter that would put gun hunters to shame.. 

I am not saying there are not good and bad hunters with each weapon. Not my point. Just what weapon effectiveness.

And I’ll take that bet any day. My 7mm mag against his bow. At 10, 20, 30, 50, 100, 250, 350 ………winner gets a hunt in your deer Mecca lol!


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[G-Man]

42 minutes ago, Fletch said:

I am not saying there are not good and bad hunters with each weapon. Not my point. Just what weapon effectiveness.

And I’ll take that bet any day. My 7mm mag against his bow. At 10, 20, 30, 50, 100, 250, 350 ………winner gets a hunt in your deer Mecca lol!


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Point is all are effective at killing  its the wielder that makes them efficient or not. 

[The_Real_TCIII]

Drives are very safe 1 person is in charge, standers go to assigned locations and stay there until drive is done even if they shoot world record buck. They don't move so they can see better or to be more comfortable. This is done for safety,  many deer are shot by the " drivers" and they need to know where everyone is to be safe,  shots from standers are not into the drive but are only at  the deer when past or next to the standers.
Over 30 years of driving and only had to kick one person out for not listening.. there are no second chances   rules are absolute.  Family or not.   Also only one ever kicked out of camp permanently  even with the begging to come back  not happening..

@Red told me he didnt realize those were your thin mints and had you put a postit note with your name on them he would not have eaten the entire box


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[bfahy13]

On 12/2/2021 at 5:05 PM, crappyice said:

Ummm…I live in 3S…just saying!!!!


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So I just got the confirmation. Date is set in stone with an open invite. Would be pretty fun if @crappyice @Biz-R-OWorldand maybe even @Chefall wanted to show up? I know I haven’t met you guys in person but all seem like good guys. Send me a pm if you may be interested. Date is set of 12/19 right now. 

[Fletch]

So now I see where some of you all are coming from!! Bored? Go on YouTube and type in deer drives!! Holy crap there’s some scary shit!! 9 shots, we hit 4, found two…. 15 shots, hit one. Yikes
We don’t do drives like that…..


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[ATbuckhunter]

On 12/4/2021 at 4:59 PM, bfahy13 said:

So I just got the confirmation. Date is set in stone with an open invite. Would be pretty fun if @crappyice @Biz-R-OWorldand maybe even @Chefall wanted to show up? I know I haven’t met you guys in person but all seem like good guys. Send me a pm if you may be interested. Date is set of 12/19 right now. 

Guys got room for one more by any chance? I love a good deer drive 

[BowmanMike]

16 minutes ago, Fletch said:

So now I see where some of you all are coming from!! Bored? Go on YouTube and type in deer drives!! Holy crap there’s some scary shit!! 9 shots, we hit 4, found two…. 15 shots, hit one. Yikes
We don’t do drives like that…..


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I watched one of Dan infalts swamp drive videos. No thanks,they were unloading in 6' tall reeds. Scary stuff.

I don't have any problem with well organized drives with the right people.

[bfahy13]

16 minutes ago, ATbuckhunter said:

Guys got room for one more by any chance? I love a good deer drive 

I have to see. I may not be able to even go. If I can’t my father and brother will still be there and I can put you all In contact with them. 

[ATbuckhunter]

3 hours ago, bfahy13 said:

I have to see. I may not be able to even go. If I can’t my father and brother will still be there and I can put you all In contact with them. 

No worries, if its too much of an imposition its all good! 

[TLR]

No deer drives allowed on our property( we own 940,acres in hamilton county ny &,we allow exactly 5 people to hunt it at certain times that I dictate where and when ). Anyone of the 5 we allow to hunt  even thinks about asking or trying to organize a drive will be escorted off and if caught coming back on property I WILL HAVE THEM ARRESTED,  I have no use for deer drives  I do not believe in forcing deer to move  drives are for the lazy useless hunter that doesn't want to WORK for his deer  get off your ass scout , pattern learn the deer's movements