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I go to bed every night at midnight. I pee at 3am and poop at 5am. The only problem is that I don't wake up until 8am.

Ok so we have determined a shotgun can kill someone as dead as a rifle in an idiots hands. Now back to the sandwich. Sent from my LGL35G using Tapatalk 2

God was just about done creating the universe , but He had 2 extra things left in His bag of creations , so He decided to split them between Adam and Eve. He told the couple that one of the things he had to give away was the ability to pee while standing up. " It's a very handy thing " , God told the couple , whom he found under an apple tree. " I was wondering if either one of you wanted the ability ", God asked. Adam jumped up and blurted , " Oh, give it to me ! I'd love to , please oh , please oh , let me have the ability , It'd be so great ! When I'm working in the garden , I could just stand there and let it fly . It'd be so cool , I could write my name in the snow . Oh please God let it be me who you give that gift to , please God let me be able to stand and pee in the snow. Eve just smiled and told God that if Adam wanted it that badly , he should have it . It seemed to be the thing that would make him happy and really wouldn't mind if Adam was giving this ability. And so Adam was given the ability to urinate while standing in a vertical position. Adam was so happy that he celebrated by peeing his name in the snow while laughing with delight. " Fine " God said , while looking into his bag of leftover gifts, "What's left here ? Oh yes.......multiple orgasms .

As long as it was your handwriting she shouldn't have a problem.

Took a pic and put it on Instagram .... Hey doing L and R's are hard ! My wife walks in room," how old are you? " 54. " How old do you think you are?" ,well I guess I feel as good a s most in their 30's do. " so you don't think your like 12." Um no. The why the F@$& would you do that!!?? Guess she was not happy about it. Told her if they did it on Duck Dynasty she'd be laughing about it.

That was my point..., hehehe. I remember a few posts of clearly yearling buck kills where guys were saying DEC aged them at 6+ yo and heading downhill. If theres so much wiggle room for error in aging an antlered deer, I'd imagine the antlerless ages are even easier to inflate/exagerate without too much questioning as long as it doesn't have spots!

ah - well that I'd certainly agree with. I agree that a "pro" isn't going to want to take the time to do it that way. Nobody touches my deer except me. I'm way to fussy so I just do it myself. It's actually kind of therapeutic. (I know, I'm weird... I just never admit that to the wife. )

Lol ..... it is interesting to watch the evolution of a thread. I believe that I have found the reply that actually touched off the accuracy thing between a shotgun and rifle. The implication as I read it is that the shotgun is so much less accurate than a rifle that hunters in the southern zone have to empty their magazine in order to get a deer down....lol. And this accounted for why some members were indicating that their lives are in mortal danger and they are nearly too terrified to go in the woods with slugs literally spraying the trees. Man I haven't heard so much BS and over generalization in a long time ... lol.

No response about the sandwich.but it has become interesting. I was going to challenge with my red Ryder but it would not be fair? Sent from my LGL35G using Tapatalk 2

If the morning is all you have, than thats when you have to hunt. This is the last week, no matter what you do this week, it wont matter in 7 days bc the season is over. Go get em

Not to get off topic but I have seen several shotguns that would outshoot several rifles at 100 yards. You may not own one but I have seen rifles that could barely hold a 3" group at 100 and slug guns that could cut holes at that distance. It really has nothing to do with the type of firearm. there are good ones and ones that suck in both classes.

There are tow more things that Chromeslayer didn't mention that are key besides Food. That would be FOOD and FOOD.

My spike taste pretty good. I just ate some tonight.

Big foot must be eating them.lol

Spikes are mostly 1.5 year old bucks. A 1.5 buck regardless of how many points it has, is one of the dumber deer out there during their 1st rut. Still not a simple stalk.

They are just as dumb as a 1 1/2 year old 8pt....... no difference.

LOL! I was cooking out last winter, and had to pee. It was dark so I did what any guy would do, right there in the snow (but away from the grill) Some how the wife noticed the yellow snow and was appalled!! I don't get it.. I guess I was supposed to go inside, take off my snowy boots, walk down the hall to the John, walk back, put my boots back on and go back out…….REALLY? I guess it's me...

Here in our part of 8N, I am seeing more deer than I have seen in quite a few years (perhaps even a few decades). Just the other afternoon, I could have had my choice of deer off the lawn in broad daylight. The trick would have been to get the livingroom window open without spooking them ..... lol. The fact is though that the two that I already have gotten are about all the wife and I will eat over the year. I have been out a couple times after the snow got on the ground looking for that huge 8-point that I got the trail-cam picture off and I have to say that I have seen several trails where a whole pile of deer are running together. That's something that I haven't seen in a long time. I think the take in our area is sky-high and I still think they haven't really made a dent in the population. So I am looking forward to a heck of a season next year too.

Lmao. If the fromunda cheese slice is placed on the bread in the exact same place as some swiss cheese, does it mean the swiss is more accurate?

maybe, just maybe it was a bologna sandwich.

If they are 1 1/2, then they arent mature doe. Just sayin.

You are right. Clueless. You got me. Let's change the topic to the most accurate broad head/arrow combination that is the most accurate to gut shoot and lose a deer

Rode around today to pull the cards from the trail cams,Very few tracks.Pictures showed deer and turkey feeding early in the morning 2 days ago.

Sorry, when discussing hunting I define accuracy as: did I hit where I aimed and did the animal drop? If the answer to both of those is yes then it's accurate. We're not talking shooting matches here we're talking downing an animal. But, I'll still hole it at the range. You wanna bring out micrometers and do trig problems - than I'll restate: you're reading WAY too much into this.

I wouldn't get the vented but it you ever had a spill you could just pop out that area and put them back. I think the vented would get to much crap in there.

Wow this post went from a temper tantrum from someone losing their spot, to sandwiches, to the debate on hunting regulations, policies, common courtesies for Long Island to accuracy of guns. I am willing to bet most of the shotguns out there can out shoot my 45-70 Gov't how it is currently set up. But Rob is going to be one confused member after he gets done reading all about the shotgun posts.

SteveC's shotgun shoots better than my .243 Savage. There, I said it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have the summit open shot for bowhunting and gun hunting. I love it, it is light and easy to put up and take down. It goes up some huge trees and some tiny one at that. The cable design to go around the tree is alright. It is kinda clumsy when you first use it but you get used to it. It doesn't slip on the tree which is important. The biggest drawback to it is it doesn't collapse flat on your back as the lone wolf does and the cables hang low even fully retracted. If I had the money I would pick the lone wolf climber over the summit. Just because of the collapsing flat issue.

Wait did we figure out what kind of sandwich he had in the original post?

Different by us. Deer seemed to be in groups this year. Used to have mostly single deer/tracks with a few pair. This year there was a group of 6 and a group or two of 4 together. You either saw them or saw nothing. Very few single tracks and only a two single deer seen a spike which came to visit everyone and one 4 point that should up once in front of my brother. All deer were small.

you cant shoot all the doe and think you are going to see deer...i hunt in westchester and CT where they SAY the deer pops are out of control! i did ok this season shooting 2 mature bucks and a couple doe. I have a lot of properties to hunt, some as big as 150 acres and some tiny 4-5 acre spots. I just scout the doe and hunt where I am seeing them, and dont shoot them unless they are all over like squirrels. People shoot too many deer and wonder why they dont see anything. Think abt it if u only had a couple months a year to breed where would you (not the ladies sry grow and others) hang out...a bar full of young men or where there are lots of fine ladies to chase around. Things were very different this year as well. First year we have had a great acorn crop in a while. They are completely different than they have been the past 2or 3 years and hunters have to change up. The best hunters I know spend as much time scouting and moving stands as they do sitting there with their bow or gun. You cant just hang a stand and think its going to be the golden spot for the whole year. The deer change their patterns as the season progresses and you as a hunter have to change your tactics as well. It was still a good year but i think the numbers are WAY down i hope they go to one buck a year no matter what weapon and put an AR in place nothing crazy but just to let 1.5 year olds go another year.

Dam kids!!! no idea about a Gunsmoke reference. We really gotta get you out more. lol

There is nothing wrong with a good healthy dose of awareness and a recognition that there are people out there that may not be as safety conscious a we would hope (and that should apply no matter which zone you are hunting in). There is no big honorable thing about blundering around out there without at least considering the possibility that there is a small element of danger that has to be accepted (just like every time you get behind the wheel of your car). As long as it doesn't paralyze you and keep you from enjoying the hunt. Personally I engage in what I call defensive hunting. I am always well covered in blaze orange. I try to maintain a safe distance from other hunters. I usually have a good big tree at my back and always keep an eye on the body language of somebody that is still hunting their way through. If I am still hunting through an area and encounter another hunter, I generally change direction and make sure that I am in wide open, plain sight of him. None of these things are big inconveniences or impact my hunting success in any way. They are just a few common sense things that can keep a person around to hunt another day.

That's definitely not me, the ribs are still attached! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Bundle up Joe and go slay that buck!

Who said that? Spikes are dumb. I thought most of us agreed on that? Fool a mature doe during the rut? Now that's an accomplishment. They never have their guard down. Even a big buck can be caught thinking with the wrong head. Not putting down shooting a spike. To each their own trophy and goals. Just an honest answer when we're comparing age of deer and intelligence.

Ok so without trying to remember who asked what let me just answer some of the questions. When I was a little kid I was always intrigued with the hunting stories my grandfather and uncles would tell when I went to my grandparents to visit, and wanted nothing more in life than to spend as much time with them as possible hunting and fishing. Growing up without a father was tough, but I was blessed with a fantastic grandfather and his son's, my uncles. They took me under their wings and instilled a love and respect of the outdoors that has been lifelong. Unfortunately they did not own land so our time was spent mostly on "state land", or behind a quarry we knew well. Perhaps the "afraid to get shot" thing got it's start listening to others (not my family) talk about guys getting shot out of tree stands, "the guys from NYC that mistook a cow for a deer and shot it", talk of people taking "sound shots", and a long list of others that were probably BS but certainly planted "a seed". Now add the this my actual experiences. The" state land" was pretty wild sometimes, but nothing compared to hunting behind the quarry. Initially is was a lot of fun, and we did manage to take a few deer, but when a group of local people decide it was "theirs", things got ugly. They flattened all four truck tires once when we were in the woods, screamed and yelled at me for being in "their hunting spot" and threatened to shoot us, when my cousin Doug was dying of pancreatic cancer and in his tree stand for one of the last times he hunted with us and clearly a weak sick man, one of the "our place gang walked up to the base of his tree, looked up and unzipped his pants and pi$$ed right on the ladder. These guys would race through the fields with guys in the back of the truck and shoot at deer from the truck bed. I got caught between the crossfire of several of these guys once and watched them empty their guns on a tiny doe as it unfortunately ambled between them and it ran/stumbled directly towards me as they continued the barrage. These goofs were hooting screaming and hollering "is it down....is it down" and then saw me and launched into yet another verbal assault, and I quietly just left. I have several other spooky close encounters but you get the drift. Why did I hunt there? It's where my family took me when I was to young to hunt on my own and could not drive yet. It is where I did have a lot of good, positive experiences until it went sour. As time passed my uncles moved away, my grandfather died and I began to hunt alone or with one of my cousins. With no place to hunt where I felt safe I finally bought my first house in the country with 15 acres and finally had someplace peaceful and safe. Fast forward a couple years. Opening morning the fire whistle goes off, my stomach feels sick, and my neighbor stops by my house and tells me the horror story that he had taken his work friend and his friends son hunting and the son was shot and killed. It was less than a mile from my house. My neighbor telling the extremely graphic, horrific, sad and senseless story was etched into my mind and my wife's as well. My wife said if I was ever to take my kids hunting, I had to sell the house, buy a bigger piece of land and "post the hell out of it" That is exactly what I did! Am I still paranoid that I might get shot. No. I stay on my own land, do not have stands on the boundaries. I leave my neighbors alone and they know enough after twenty years to leave me the hell alone. I invite only those I know, trust, care about to hunt with me and make sure 'they" and "I" know where they are at all times. I will add however since that ugly day years ago when that poor young man was killed hunting, there was another man shot and killed by a family member on opening day just one road over from my property, and a fellow I know was shot in the face when an idiot snuck up on his turkey decoy and shot him. Three people shot within a very small geographic area over my hunting lifetime, and these are only the ones I personally know of, is way to many.

My land i surrounded by private land. we all have an agreement that if it crosses go get it. Just call first and after you are done s we all know you are out of there. If I am there, I will go help. One guy only hunts tuesday and wednesday his pass days from work. If he calls and I am at work, he can still go.

Any deer is a trophy to me.I have a few 8's and a 10 on the wall but I still get my heart pumping when I match wits with a any deer.

I shot some Varmints for a Tree Farmer a few years ago . His wife said how much do you charge and I told her nothing . She said ," we''ll have to fix that . When the season gets here , you will have a free tree " . Got a Fraser Fir . It replaced our old "JB Hunter" artificial tree and we have been buying a real tree since then . Paid $40 for a pre-cut Fraser Fir tree at Wilberts in Webster . They were $30 if you cut your own . It was worth the extra $10 not to have to wander around and lay on the ground to cut one down !

Sleep apnea maybe ?

Tough to tell for me... I SUCK every season!

So there ya go .... freakin antlers don't mean nothing. We may all be out there hunting the biggest coward in the woods ..... lol.

Congrats, the freezer is almost full,keep piece within the family and enjoy the meet.

LOL.. and why would you hunt there?

Lol .... Nope. The tag is filled out immediately when the animal is reduced to your possession ..... Hands-on. You do not fill out the tag because you are pretty sure the animal is dead somewhere. Just a picky point of clarity.

I really haven't heard them before. This was incase anyone has seen the popularly annoying song "what does a fox say"

He looks like I feel.

yup, cougars are everywhere....the best time to see one is just before closing time.