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I go to bed every night at midnight. I pee at 3am and poop at 5am. The only problem is that I don't wake up until 8am.

Ok so we have determined a shotgun can kill someone as dead as a rifle in an idiots hands. Now back to the sandwich. Sent from my LGL35G using Tapatalk 2

God was just about done creating the universe , but He had 2 extra things left in His bag of creations , so He decided to split them between Adam and Eve. He told the couple that one of the things he had to give away was the ability to pee while standing up. " It's a very handy thing " , God told the couple , whom he found under an apple tree. " I was wondering if either one of you wanted the ability ", God asked. Adam jumped up and blurted , " Oh, give it to me ! I'd love to , please oh , please oh , let me have the ability , It'd be so great ! When I'm working in the garden , I could just stand there and let it fly . It'd be so cool , I could write my name in the snow . Oh please God let it be me who you give that gift to , please God let me be able to stand and pee in the snow. Eve just smiled and told God that if Adam wanted it that badly , he should have it . It seemed to be the thing that would make him happy and really wouldn't mind if Adam was giving this ability. And so Adam was given the ability to urinate while standing in a vertical position. Adam was so happy that he celebrated by peeing his name in the snow while laughing with delight. " Fine " God said , while looking into his bag of leftover gifts, "What's left here ? Oh yes.......multiple orgasms .

As long as it was your handwriting she shouldn't have a problem.

Took a pic and put it on Instagram .... Hey doing L and R's are hard ! My wife walks in room," how old are you? " 54. " How old do you think you are?" ,well I guess I feel as good a s most in their 30's do. " so you don't think your like 12." Um no. The why the F@$& would you do that!!?? Guess she was not happy about it. Told her if they did it on Duck Dynasty she'd be laughing about it.

That was my point..., hehehe. I remember a few posts of clearly yearling buck kills where guys were saying DEC aged them at 6+ yo and heading downhill. If theres so much wiggle room for error in aging an antlered deer, I'd imagine the antlerless ages are even easier to inflate/exagerate without too much questioning as long as it doesn't have spots!

ah - well that I'd certainly agree with. I agree that a "pro" isn't going to want to take the time to do it that way. Nobody touches my deer except me. I'm way to fussy so I just do it myself. It's actually kind of therapeutic. (I know, I'm weird... I just never admit that to the wife. )

Lol ..... it is interesting to watch the evolution of a thread. I believe that I have found the reply that actually touched off the accuracy thing between a shotgun and rifle. The implication as I read it is that the shotgun is so much less accurate than a rifle that hunters in the southern zone have to empty their magazine in order to get a deer down....lol. And this accounted for why some members were indicating that their lives are in mortal danger and they are nearly too terrified to go in the woods with slugs literally spraying the trees. Man I haven't heard so much BS and over generalization in a long time ... lol.

No response about the sandwich.but it has become interesting. I was going to challenge with my red Ryder but it would not be fair? Sent from my LGL35G using Tapatalk 2

If the morning is all you have, than thats when you have to hunt. This is the last week, no matter what you do this week, it wont matter in 7 days bc the season is over. Go get em

Not to get off topic but I have seen several shotguns that would outshoot several rifles at 100 yards. You may not own one but I have seen rifles that could barely hold a 3" group at 100 and slug guns that could cut holes at that distance. It really has nothing to do with the type of firearm. there are good ones and ones that suck in both classes.

There are tow more things that Chromeslayer didn't mention that are key besides Food. That would be FOOD and FOOD.

My spike taste pretty good. I just ate some tonight.

Big foot must be eating them.lol

Spikes are mostly 1.5 year old bucks. A 1.5 buck regardless of how many points it has, is one of the dumber deer out there during their 1st rut. Still not a simple stalk.

They are just as dumb as a 1 1/2 year old 8pt....... no difference.

LOL! I was cooking out last winter, and had to pee. It was dark so I did what any guy would do, right there in the snow (but away from the grill) Some how the wife noticed the yellow snow and was appalled!! I don't get it.. I guess I was supposed to go inside, take off my snowy boots, walk down the hall to the John, walk back, put my boots back on and go back out…….REALLY? I guess it's me...

Here in our part of 8N, I am seeing more deer than I have seen in quite a few years (perhaps even a few decades). Just the other afternoon, I could have had my choice of deer off the lawn in broad daylight. The trick would have been to get the livingroom window open without spooking them ..... lol. The fact is though that the two that I already have gotten are about all the wife and I will eat over the year. I have been out a couple times after the snow got on the ground looking for that huge 8-point that I got the trail-cam picture off and I have to say that I have seen several trails where a whole pile of deer are running together. That's something that I haven't seen in a long time. I think the take in our area is sky-high and I still think they haven't really made a dent in the population. So I am looking forward to a heck of a season next year too.

You are right. Clueless. You got me. Let's change the topic to the most accurate broad head/arrow combination that is the most accurate to gut shoot and lose a deer

just returned from afternoon hunt. went out at 1:30. Felt tired so i grabbed a can of redbull (medium sized) BIG MISTAKE. I haven't had one in two years. Did a still hunt, kinda. Saw a doe and three skippers. Sat in thestand for the final hour and saw a hunter. No tracks near stand.

Sorry, when discussing hunting I define accuracy as: did I hit where I aimed and did the animal drop? If the answer to both of those is yes then it's accurate. We're not talking shooting matches here we're talking downing an animal. But, I'll still hole it at the range. You wanna bring out micrometers and do trig problems - than I'll restate: you're reading WAY too much into this.

That's very true about the cost, but I think the 783 has features that can make it an even more accurate rifle than the 700. The 783 along with the Ruger American pretty much stole some technology from Savage, and Savage rifles just might be the most accurate out of the box. These new inexpensive rifles don't look pretty, but they can shoot. I wouldn't be surprised if Remington adapts some of the 783 features into a new 700 somewhere down the road. The 700 is still a great rifle but it's been in production for 50 years now, so an upgrade will probably happen sooner or later. Of course anything new that comes out these days, generally requires less labor to make, so that's only another reason to adapt some of the features that they put into the 783.

SteveC's shotgun shoots better than my .243 Savage. There, I said it. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I belive it was a crap sandwich he had.... with corn.

Genetics and diet is key to antler growth but diet plays a huge factor. Chances are a 6 point will most likely have more points but the rack will be bigger based on what the deer is eating. Having said that a deer won't always grow more points but it will grow wider, taller thicker and so on, it all depends on the deer. For instance, a small 10 point can become a big 9 point. Or a big 8 point can become an even bigger 8 point.

Different by us. Deer seemed to be in groups this year. Used to have mostly single deer/tracks with a few pair. This year there was a group of 6 and a group or two of 4 together. You either saw them or saw nothing. Very few single tracks and only a two single deer seen a spike which came to visit everyone and one 4 point that should up once in front of my brother. All deer were small.

lol - sorry ncountry - just a phrase I use sometimes - glad you didn't take it personally as I forgot the I'm from PW PA, born and raised in rifle country. Shotguns were only for birds or skeet. Having moved to NY (Dutchess County) I had to get acquainted with slugs and slug guns. It doesn't take much research or mental exercise to realize that smooth bores are about as accurate as a statement made by a politician. Slightly more research will uncover that the additions of a cantilevered, rifled barrel with a good scope will provide the capability of accuracy. I said the capability because then it comes down to the process of finding out which brand of ammo and what style your particular setup "likes". It's a bit of a process but can be done and quite good accuracy can be achieved. I think the problem lies in that way too many aren't educated in the ways of the outdoors. The whys and why nots. And as such they are just interested in achieving their goal as soon as they possibly can and with the least amount of effort. Close is good enough and just keep firing until it drops. I've heard so many 5 shot volleys that it just boggles my mind. p.s. no attack was meant

Don't forget about finding does, there are always some in estrous, the secondary rut. If you are about to take a doe make darn sure there is nothing in tow. I almost made the mistake of pulling the trigger on a doe on the last day of muzzleloader. finger on the trigger and safety off and about to shoot when I heard crunch, crunch, crunch. i looked over and there was a bruiser. i relocated him to my freezer shortly after.

Dam kids!!! no idea about a Gunsmoke reference. We really gotta get you out more. lol

There is nothing wrong with a good healthy dose of awareness and a recognition that there are people out there that may not be as safety conscious a we would hope (and that should apply no matter which zone you are hunting in). There is no big honorable thing about blundering around out there without at least considering the possibility that there is a small element of danger that has to be accepted (just like every time you get behind the wheel of your car). As long as it doesn't paralyze you and keep you from enjoying the hunt. Personally I engage in what I call defensive hunting. I am always well covered in blaze orange. I try to maintain a safe distance from other hunters. I usually have a good big tree at my back and always keep an eye on the body language of somebody that is still hunting their way through. If I am still hunting through an area and encounter another hunter, I generally change direction and make sure that I am in wide open, plain sight of him. None of these things are big inconveniences or impact my hunting success in any way. They are just a few common sense things that can keep a person around to hunt another day.

9H here. 29 degrees 17mph south wind. Cut very few tracks on way in. Let the smoke pole make noise today folks

We won ours in a Pub raffle this year. Can't beat it and it's a real nice fresh tree.

That's definitely not me, the ribs are still attached! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Bundle up Joe and go slay that buck!

Who said that? Spikes are dumb. I thought most of us agreed on that? Fool a mature doe during the rut? Now that's an accomplishment. They never have their guard down. Even a big buck can be caught thinking with the wrong head. Not putting down shooting a spike. To each their own trophy and goals. Just an honest answer when we're comparing age of deer and intelligence.

Ok so without trying to remember who asked what let me just answer some of the questions. When I was a little kid I was always intrigued with the hunting stories my grandfather and uncles would tell when I went to my grandparents to visit, and wanted nothing more in life than to spend as much time with them as possible hunting and fishing. Growing up without a father was tough, but I was blessed with a fantastic grandfather and his son's, my uncles. They took me under their wings and instilled a love and respect of the outdoors that has been lifelong. Unfortunately they did not own land so our time was spent mostly on "state land", or behind a quarry we knew well. Perhaps the "afraid to get shot" thing got it's start listening to others (not my family) talk about guys getting shot out of tree stands, "the guys from NYC that mistook a cow for a deer and shot it", talk of people taking "sound shots", and a long list of others that were probably BS but certainly planted "a seed". Now add the this my actual experiences. The" state land" was pretty wild sometimes, but nothing compared to hunting behind the quarry. Initially is was a lot of fun, and we did manage to take a few deer, but when a group of local people decide it was "theirs", things got ugly. They flattened all four truck tires once when we were in the woods, screamed and yelled at me for being in "their hunting spot" and threatened to shoot us, when my cousin Doug was dying of pancreatic cancer and in his tree stand for one of the last times he hunted with us and clearly a weak sick man, one of the "our place gang walked up to the base of his tree, looked up and unzipped his pants and pi$$ed right on the ladder. These guys would race through the fields with guys in the back of the truck and shoot at deer from the truck bed. I got caught between the crossfire of several of these guys once and watched them empty their guns on a tiny doe as it unfortunately ambled between them and it ran/stumbled directly towards me as they continued the barrage. These goofs were hooting screaming and hollering "is it down....is it down" and then saw me and launched into yet another verbal assault, and I quietly just left. I have several other spooky close encounters but you get the drift. Why did I hunt there? It's where my family took me when I was to young to hunt on my own and could not drive yet. It is where I did have a lot of good, positive experiences until it went sour. As time passed my uncles moved away, my grandfather died and I began to hunt alone or with one of my cousins. With no place to hunt where I felt safe I finally bought my first house in the country with 15 acres and finally had someplace peaceful and safe. Fast forward a couple years. Opening morning the fire whistle goes off, my stomach feels sick, and my neighbor stops by my house and tells me the horror story that he had taken his work friend and his friends son hunting and the son was shot and killed. It was less than a mile from my house. My neighbor telling the extremely graphic, horrific, sad and senseless story was etched into my mind and my wife's as well. My wife said if I was ever to take my kids hunting, I had to sell the house, buy a bigger piece of land and "post the hell out of it" That is exactly what I did! Am I still paranoid that I might get shot. No. I stay on my own land, do not have stands on the boundaries. I leave my neighbors alone and they know enough after twenty years to leave me the hell alone. I invite only those I know, trust, care about to hunt with me and make sure 'they" and "I" know where they are at all times. I will add however since that ugly day years ago when that poor young man was killed hunting, there was another man shot and killed by a family member on opening day just one road over from my property, and a fellow I know was shot in the face when an idiot snuck up on his turkey decoy and shot him. Three people shot within a very small geographic area over my hunting lifetime, and these are only the ones I personally know of, is way to many.

My land i surrounded by private land. we all have an agreement that if it crosses go get it. Just call first and after you are done s we all know you are out of there. If I am there, I will go help. One guy only hunts tuesday and wednesday his pass days from work. If he calls and I am at work, he can still go.

Sleep apnea maybe ?

I like the real ones too. The wife and i get one every year. My grandfather passed away 2 years ago. He was 94. He had the same fake tree that he bought in the 70's. After X-mas he would have me or my brother/ cousins carry it to the attic with the lights and ornaments attached. The next year we would carry it down stairs and he would just plug it in. When we talked about the real trees we bought, and what we paid for them every year, he would always call us "idiots" LOL!!!

It's not just you, Ants... It's your BIRTHRIGHT... I am MALE...The WORLD is my urinal....

Tough to tell for me... I SUCK every season!

Congrats, the freezer is almost full,keep piece within the family and enjoy the meet.

A friend of mine and I have been out since this morning. Saw a few this morning but no shots. Now we are sitting over the last field of corn on the farm. The farmers combining it. About a half hour ago three does popped out ahead of the combine I put one of them on the ground. Sitting until the end of the day hoping to get maybe one more.

Dead quiet and no fresh signs in the snow. I'm packing everything up. Anyone need a full set of tags? Lol Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I317 using Tapatalk

LOL.. and why would you hunt there?

Once I got cold I decided to try an experiment and push to myself. Did a walk by of the thick stuff thinking they would exit into the wind and into the woods. Then circled to the back and still hunted through the woods a 1/4 mile from where I pushed. The good news is, it seemed to work. The bad news is I was spotted and couldn't get a shot off in time. And I saw a snowy owl! Very cool to see.

Your regular season tag is good during ml season. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I537 using Tapatalk

He looks like I feel.

yup, cougars are everywhere....the best time to see one is just before closing time.

Kind of like the guys that tell you they shot a 200lb buck, because their BIL said it HAD to be. Why should that bother you? Nothing wrong with being accurate, is there? If you take this stuff fairly serious, you'll take notice of weight and age of these animals and NOT guess. Jaw boards, accurate scales and resources take the guess work out of things as the OP stated he has done with his QDM book. I'd just like to know if the jaw told the 3.5yo tale or not. Happy Thanksgiving to you also!