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I wonder how they extract those...??... I can picture some dude in a big buck costume sneaking up behind a hot doe with a turkey baster....

I got my ammo loaded and decided I'd head to the range and test a couple loads. Tossed all my stuff in the truck and headed out. Got a few miles from home and noticed the wind was a bit stiffer than I originally thought. The rain doesn't bother me as it's a covered bench but the wind was just too much. Truck latch: check Hair cut: check Bank:check Reload for the 260Rem:check Oh well, a cup of T Horton's java and I'm thinking up a plan to finish up the day...................

They must have a farmyard full of doe-ho's.

Drinking beer, checking the internet, and writing.

Movies, and a dinner date with the honey pie.

Well, I'm not sure that this thread answered any earth-shattering questions for anyone, but at least it was a good airing of all the fears and attitudes that people have about civilian involvement in law enforcement. I have to say that I do understand pieces of every argument. Personally I have an attitude that relies on motives or intents and the possibilities that violations may or may not be repeated that determine whether I will blow the whistle. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, so says the government. But if I am convinced that the violator really didn't have a clue about the law or the interpretation of it, I likely will let a first offence slide without reporting it. I have seen enough instances of mass confusion on this forum regarding the laws, that I can certainly be sympathetic in that area. On the other hand, I don't want to hear bragging about law breaking or any signal that violations are intentional. That will get me involved damn quick regardless of the consequences. There is also an element of severity that enters into my decision to report or not report. Some things are not worth the hassle for me, the DEC, or the violator to even bother with. It's a judgment call. Is that all the exact correct way to deal with reporting violations? .... I don't know, but it is my way.

Well when he said foreign that left the door wide open but when he said salmon that closed it on what foreigners it was. Ukrainians, has to be, not because Im being racist because I live on the Salmon River and its choked full of Ukrainians with trunks full of salmon heading back to NYC to sell. Even had FBI knocking on door asking about them last year. Crazy

if you would like, PM me your contact info. I would be more that happy to have you over when I process one our ours so you can see how easy it really is. I am in Rochester area also

I get a ton of PMs, texts, and emails about cell cams. I have been working with and on cell cams for several years now. The curve is getting to more user-friendly cell cams, but the cost of entry is going up with MSRPs between $399 and some at $500. A lot of people want to try it, but are intimidated by the price and/or knowledge needed to set up and run these cams. If you an established forum member and are interested in dipping your toes into the water with a cell cam, please PM me your email address. I have a line on a cell cam that will meet most anyone's needs and the cost is less than half of mass market cams' MSRP today. This opportunity came about based on my knowledge of cell cams and also, as I hope many people here are familiar with, "through a guy I know." It is not a get rich scheme or anything, but passing along a deal, as I have to other forum members in the past. Actual text pic from my wife's dog grooming room this morning...

I've got some running around to do; haircut, banking, reloading the 260Rem and a trip to North Tonawanda for a new "palm" handle for my ARE cap. PIA thing has been a bit stiff for a year or two and I've tried to lube it a couple times but nothing helped. Well it snapped the other day and now I need a new one.......... Wife & son are working, daughter is home for the weekend, dinner is my responsibility. Daughter says, "hey, how about venison burgers for dinner?" After I got up off the floor I said OK, that would be great!! Tomorrow I hoping to check trail cams and do some shooting. How's about YOU?

9/11...God bless the departed souls and all the ones living with the aftermath to this day....

Yes that's the place! Lol

Yeah I was thinking that. My first free weekend and it rains smh.

My wife and I split 4 face cord of firewood this morning, so I owe her a nice dinner. Tomorrow I am going to press our grapes to make around 90 gallons of homemade wine. Hope to get out and check the trail cams too.

That's all the shots it took to site it in. The holes I coveted Are the first shots , it was bore sited at the gun shop Then I fired from 25 yds. It was high right then I kept Truning it down and left.got it close then moved the Target out to 50 yd. Still shot right moved it over. Then moved the Target out to our 75 yd. Witch is Really 78 yds. Fired the last two rounds in the 10. So now I got a backup to my backup deer rifle.

You are so correct. I'm looking forward to next weekend when several of us guys will gather for an overnight to burn a few steaks, have a couple drinks and reminisce, about days gone by

I have never aged venison on purpose . Always processed it asap and no problems . I have a 10 cu ft fridge in the garage now and that should help things .

That Alexander steam show is great and we would be there right now without the rain. My first time was probably 40 years ago when my granddad brought me and my brother. My ancestors ran a threshing business in this area using a couple old Rumely Oil-pull tractors. I still have some of the old manuals for them and the threshers. Old tractors are cool and we still have a few. I still use granddad's old JD M at my folks place, and a Ford 8N, Allis Chalmers C, and Farmall A at our place for food plot work. Unfortunately, the Allis C is going to have to go soon, since the two old barns my great-great granddad built on our farm in 1883 are on their last leg, and the single pole-barn I plan to replace them won't fit so many tractors. Except for missing the show, I welcome that rain. I managed to get the last of my logs dragged out of the woods yesterday afternoon before it started. I was pressed for time, so I used the modern, 4wd, diesel and left the "antiques" in the barn. The wheat and brassicas were looking a little dry, but should take off after this rain, just in time to keep some fat does around for archery season. I finally had some shop-time available to replace an oil-line and gauge on my old Ford 8N tractor. I had been running it for a few weeks with a temporary plug installed, but I am much more comfortable running it while I can keep an eye on the oil pressure. This morning my wife and I also got to watch our daughter cheer part of her first football game. Thankfully, they let them go home before halftime and before they got soaked thru too bad. We were comfortable watching under the big golf umbrella we had won at a raffle earlier this year. I also had time to do an on-line re-registration on my Professional Engineering license with NY state. It is supposed to rain again tomorrow morning while we are at church and Sunday school. We will probably even make it out to the nursing home and visit our Aunt tomorrow. I can't wait to show her some pictures of us using our deceased uncle's old boat oars up at my inlaw's camp this past holiday weekend. His old rowboat was already sold when I made it to the estate sale, but I promised her there that I would try and put them oars to good use and think him every time I used them. They actually worked so well on my father in-law's 14 ft aluminum rowboat, that it did not bother me much at all when his motor would not operate properly. It is amazing how much more wildlife you see out on and around the lake at sunrise without the noisy outboard. The beavers and turkeys were especially cool.

and 240's in the 30-06 are for what, big northern whitetails????

I have a big, old refrigerator out in the garage. All the shelves are removed. When it is too warm for the standard "in garage hanging", I skin the deer right away and hang the rear quarters and front from hooks on the top in that old fridge. Any red meat should be aged prior to processing as that allows the rigermortise to break down leading to more tender meat on the table. Improper aging is probably the biggest reason some folks develop no fondness for venison. The older the deer, the longer the ageing, and ideally it should be aged between 33 and 45 degrees F. For a six month old deer you can get away without aging. A 1.5 year should be about a week. I aged a 4.5 year buck last year for 2 weeks and it's steaks and chops are nearly as tender as a 6 month I cut up after a couple days. We are eating that old one right now in fact (we always consume them in the order they were killed and he was second from last this past season.) The tenderloins should definitely be removed right away, and do not require aging. We ate (4) sets fresh ones last season after 4 days in the fridge, just to compare the texture of 6 month, 1-1/2 year, 2-1/2 year, and 4-1/2 year bucks, all fried in an iron pan with a little olive oil, on the stove top. The 6 month set melted in your mouth and were definitely better than those from the older bucks. There was very little difference in taste or texture in those from the different age class older bucks when cooked and handled identically however. Last season, the hanging temps in the garage were almost ideal from the middle of archery season until the end of ML. I cover all the windows out there with foam insulation to keep some of the heat out, and I leave the hide on the deer until the day prior to processing. That provides a little extra insulation and prevents the meat from drying out too much. If you got to cut one up right away when it is warm, I would at least cut out the tenderloins and backstraps and get them into the fridge for a few days anyhow. Run the rest thru a grinder, which will break up the rigermortise. The grind will not be as tender as it would be if you had aged the carcass properly, but if you use a fine enough screen on your grinder, it shouldn't be too bad. I know that there are many hunters who don't age venison and seem happy with it. The real test is when their wives, girlfriends, kids, or guests like it. I actually prefer it over beef and so does the rest of my family.

My weekend plan, beginning yesterday, was spending the day at the Annual old time steam engine show in Alexander, NY. Those old steam engine road graders, farm steam engines, One lungers, etc were cool to see in action. Amazing that these machines were the forerunners of things to come. Was planning to go today, but the prediction of rain today forced me to go yesterday. Nice show.

A perfect day to check trail cameras, scout or move a tree stand. Let the rain wash away your scent afterwards. Heading back out soon.

Eat, drink, football.. Hopefully catch a few breaks between raindrops to get out with the camera for a few hikes.

here is a thought and I can't seem to get past it. Aging makes it more tender because it is the early stages of the decaying process. Bon appetite. Lol

Rotate the tires and service the truck. It has to be ready for all the upcomming road trips.

I'm going to drive up to the property and watch my food plots soak up this much needed rain..<<GRIN>>...

After work yesterday, I headed down to the farm to swap out camera cards. I know the bucks are shedding velvet and the last week or so, Ive really been itchy to get down there and swap them out. I really try to keep my camera checks to 2 weeks minimum, and this time of year it gets really hard to do. After swapping cards in the cams at the one farm, I headed to the other one. The first cam sits on a mid ridge trail just below my DeerAg food plot. As soon as we wheeled into the plot, I saw a flurry of deer scattering out of the plot. The plot is looking great, so we did a walk around to check it out. Here are a few pics, you can see how the deer are really browsing the hog radishes, and how well they regrow after browsing. The turnips are doing pretty good also, my son and I couldnt help but pick a few and eat them. I ended up pulling the camera off of the trail and moved it up into the plot. Usually I get a ton of action where the cam was, but this year, not so much. Next we headed up to the other cam on the property, and jumped a bunch of deer off the pasture. After that, we headed down to check the other plots, which we ended up jumping deer off of as well. Here are a few pics of those plots. Winter Rye plots are coming in good as well

You probably shouldn't start at 100 next time. Start at 25 making it a hell of a lot easier to get sighted in. Shoot your first shot, without moving gun look through the scope and move the crosshairs via the adjustments to your bullet hole.

hahaha...if I was gonna ask JC to do something big, it certainly would have nothing to do with killing an animal.......but if that's what you use him for, more power to you......oh, and I've never had any difficulty killing deer with any weapon...I don't take risky shots no matter how early or late in the season, you? apparently not so much....and yes, I bow hunt for the challenge of getting close to a deer, not spraying and praying like yourself.........you should quit while you're ahead because each time you make a statement you make yourself sound like even more of a jaboney.

That is amazing they named the streets after fallen loved ones, what city is that in ? 9-11 changed my life for ever, I knew I needed to help, and signed up that day to become a fire fighter. I made it 8 years until breaking my neck on the job, was a very rewarding 8 years. I tip my hat with the up most respect to all the men and women out there keeping up safe, thank you all for your service.

They are all in our prayers.

Sorry it took so long to get back too you.. I have a real life to live first. The biggest problem is that we don't have a Conservation Dept. that has a track record of being effective in managing deer herds, hunters that can't make up their minds what they want or why they want it... as for demographics the 6 million acre ADK park is a different animal than anywhere in the country... and not easily manageable based on the mindset and cooperation by the state to do what it takes to manage it. As for the deer here they are a different strain than those of the south and act much differently than southern deer that don't have to deal with harsh winters. NY doesn't have other types of big game like the west ei. elk, mule deer, pronghorn, other sheep or big cats which take up the slack of a shorter whitetail season... I'll stop there so I don't get a cramp typing and to say... Beyond all that if all the other states programs are that much better and would be viable here, why hasn't the DEC seen that and jumped on board with the "end all be all" ideas of those states. They're either extremely stupid (possible) or they know the same thing that Doc and I suggest, NY is an entirely different animal and has underlying factors that steer them away from those programs. You don't need to respond because this isn't a discussion I care about winning or losing. I don't care to convince you or change your mind... it's my opinion and observation base on 25 years of personally dealings with both hunters and the DEC... I don't need facts add figures to tell me the sky is blue or the grass is green... I can see everything with my own eyes and hear with my own ears... the trend has been the same for 40 years and doesn't seem to be letting up. I will adjust to whatever regs. come down the pike and continue to enjoy hunting in spite of it all. I respect your opinion, mine just happens to be different.

exactly......the other day I was in a convenience store and saw they sold all the stuff needed to smoke crack (minus the crack) stupid me thought that they made crack legal........been all down hill since then and it certainly isn't my fault.

Doesn't matter, Elmo. all those Foreigners are related anyways. And besides, How would you ever know who it really was since they all look alike.....

How did Papist not hear about that in some obscure news blog and post it all over the forum with a title having something to do with illegal aliens, socialists, terrorists and the end of the world?

I'll be singing up for my 2 free years of Life Lock today.

Maybe instead of calling the DEC on a lawbreaker and take the risk of getting a beat down later, we should just tell Growie and let her call them in. LOL Kidding Growie kidding. Personally I dont search crime out like others seem to do on here. I dont look at my neighbors or friends or look at others photos of there deer looking for the "whats wrong with this picture" scenario. Heck it went right over my head the guy on the other thread had a pile of corn and salt block in his pictures. I looked at that photo and seen a nice buck. It wasnt till it was pointed out it was there. I have to agree with a lot thats been said to a various degree. FSW's thinking I partially agree with as well as partially agree with the snitch theories too. I think there is a line drawn somewhere in the middle for me. The very first thing when I see wrong doing is think what the outcome is and who it will effect, and if its worth wrecking a relationship over or messing with the wrong guy scenario. Life is way to short for me to look at everyone like they are a criminal first and a human second. Mistakes are made by all of us, yes every single one whether you accept it or not. My big peave is dont trespass on my land period. You will get confronted and told to leave, if I see you again you will get called in and most often in the past there is no response from law either. I once had encounter number 3 with a guy on my land sitting in my tree stand who refused to leave.I had called him in second time I seen him and there was no response. I gave him a a 10 minute warning that he better be gone when I return. He was still there. I still laugh how fast he came down that tree when he seen me carrying a chainsaw. No I wasnt gonna cut it down. Then later I got law called on me for trespassing as well. I was dumbfounded that someone actually showed up cause they never did when I called. However the problem was I got called in for trespassing on my own land, by none other than the guy I kicked off it 3 times. Come to find out he got permission from a local guide to hunt there and said it was his land hence the reason he called me in. It ruined my whole hunting season spending more time worrying about this guy. Another time I found a pile of corn right on the border of my land and neighbors land. Our kids grew up together and were close friends. Yes it bothered me I had seen it and spent a few days wondering how to handle it. I asked another neighbor what he thought about the situation. A couple days later the baiter knocks on my door very pissed off at me. He said officer so and so showed up and ticketed him for baiting and said I called him in. I never called it in but the guy I asked for advice called in as me. So what did that get me, pissed off at the neighbor I asked for advice from and the baiter pissed off at me and the friendship of our kids was lost. The baiter by the way had shoulder surgery and doc told him he could not shoot a gun or bow for 6 months. He just wanted to see some deer sitting in his kitchen. Was it right? Nope, but my god was it really all that wrong in his case either? Point is think things out before jumping the gun. If its in your face, on your land, directly effects you Im all for it. Not saying turn a blind eye but think first because some day you are going to make a mistake and it may bite you in the ass as well.

I love law. H'es great! He and a few other remind me of one time I had to get a shot. I started cracking up and the nurse said "Why are you laughing?". I replied, "Because at some point in life, I will meet people who are a bigger pain in the ass then you are!".

A store is not responsible for your inability to follow the rules. If it were, every gun store would be responsible if you decided to put more than 7 rounds in your mag or use it to commit a crime.

Now you can say you have

This post is confusing to me. Hunters can't understand and get on board until the info is there to do so. The DEC shoving this down our throats is the lowest hole in the bucket. It is NOT hunter attitudes, hunter mindset, or anything of that nature. You can't expect to get buy-in when there is nothing pitched to sell. It's shot through a cannon, instead, and we take what we are given. Common sense dictates peer accepted models as the first things to look at and consider when trying to resolve a problem that's not unique - and much to the people who yell otherwise, our problem nor our stakeholders are unique. Not too many recent antlerless-only seasons implemented in archery (where gun seasons also exist) around the nation to correct a supposed dire straits population issue. I have on the other hand, seen OTC, DMP or doe tag management, reduced cost tags, landowner incentives, moves to OBR or shifts on when bucks tags can be filled, mz seasons set outside of other deer seasons, and so on and so forth. I haven't yet seen any agency that says, "Whoah, doe numbers are out of control in these areas. We know what to do! Let's enact an antlerless archery season, that'll really knock them down. And, if not, which they won't because we aren't telling them what numbers need to be shot, we'll stick guns in bow season instead of adding opportunity for sportsmen."

I have no problem with the guy who would use it and hunt in the same way they would bow hunt with their other archery gear....it's the clowns who proclaim it to be the best thing since sliced bread that make me leery...... taking shots that they aren't sure they can make, like you, and thanking god that it turned out well. If guys used it and hunted like the archery season was meant for, no problem....but, you're the poster boy for why some guys hate it.....I'm willing to bet that you make most legit crossbow advocates cringe when they read the crap you spew.....you just sound like a lazy guy who wants an easier way to kill a deer.

So, re-read what I asked and try again.

Did you try looking in the laundry room ...where all those "one" socks seem to disappear....

I bought some adjoining land that had some stands on it I believed belonged to adjoining landowner, so I took them down placed against a posted sign. On trail to where stand was , as the owner of the stands was seldom there. 3 weeks later they were all back up in same trees , so a chainsaw dropping the tree with stand in it and smashing them to scrap was the next step, the trees was later cut up for firewood. Not hard to read. Name address on posted sign ,I'm not a thief so I didn't want them, but I have not seen the owner of the adjoining property since. (It's a small piece I surround now.)

Headed down to the farm this morning loaded up with 3 stands, 2 sets of climbing sticks and all of the goodies to go along with them. Once we got down there, we came up with the game plan. Add a second stand to a set we call the Poison Ivy Stand and swap the screw in steps for ladder sticks, Pull a stand out that we call the Junk Pile stand, check things with other stands, clean up lanes and start looking for a new place for a stand we call the corner stand. That stand and the Junk Pile Stand both sat at different points on an inside corner of a field. Its a hot bed of activity right now, and through hunting season when the field is in corn, but this year its beans. The area dies off a bit after the beans are cut, but is still a funnel type area for the deer. Neither of the two stands are in quite the optimal spot, and they are about 130 yards apart. We figure we can pull one and put the other in the ideal spot for the funnel, so thats what we will do. We also wanted to swap a stand out that has rusty cables, so that we can replace the cables on that stand. We ended up getting everything done but move the corner stand and trim out access paths to a few sets. We will get that done tomorrow. We are also going to head to the other farm, hang a new double set and trim lanes there. After tomorrow, we should be almost completely done getting the prep work done. My daughter and I in the Poison Ivy Stand. Always a great stand, with a long history of successful hunts. Hopefully she will film me putting one on the ground here this year.

I've seen the progression from longbows/recurves to predominantly compounds in a special season, the bow season, originally established during the longbow/recurve era. I see no reason why either the season goes back to stick bows (longbows/recurves) or progresses to include all mechanically assisted bow "MAC"'s (compounds/cross-bows). However, as one who holds lifetime bowhunting privlege, and has and hunts with longbows, recurves, a compound and a cross-bow, I do believe that us cross-bow hunters should have to take the proper full bowhunter safety course. Being able to hunt with a cross bow with nothing more than reading a few paragraphs in the regs book or site and buying a muzzleloader tags does not seem correct to me. It still shoots a broadhead, and that makes the entire hunt and recovery much closer to bow hunting than rifle/shotgun/muzzleloader hunting. Just my humble opinion. Jaeger

It's not as easy to donate on the Island as you think, every time I tried I was told that " we're not taking anymore this season", just to hear later that the owner was only taking deer from friends. I took several doe last season and got a lot of snickering and eye rolls from a lot of hunters, even got called a game hog buy a couple who "won't bother killing a doe". Antlers are king for many hunters on LI. I hunt a private piece that is hunted buy another Hunter and is over run with doe, and he got mad at me for "killing everything that walks". In the end I am a DEER hunter and am happy taking a buck or a doe.

The real point is for years Hunters in 1C have been and will continue to pass antlerless deer whether in October or January. Everyone is quick to place blame on the DEC.That's the easy thing to do.Hunters are ultimately responsible to manage and maintain populations.The DEC sets the stage.Hunters are not always willing to perform.All one needs to do is read posts on various websites and social media pages to see the general consensus is that does are not specifically targeted for various reasons......too warm......too much hassle.......lessens the chances of seeing a buck.....the DEC is a bunch of morons.........etc. None of which help with population control.Spin it any way you want.Bowhunters in 1C need to take responsibility and kill more antlerless deer. It's easy.......kill,donate, get another tag.They hand out tags like tickets at a carnival.

The NYSDEC has been issuing unlimited antlerless tags in 1C for 10+ years.They were telling hunters something.Problem is nobody was listening.Toooo many antlerless deer get a pass from hunters blinded by antlers.#1 reason everyone is pissed is because they lose their chance at an early season Buck. Herd Management before Trophy Management................don't blame the DEC.Their tools failed......not them.