LIVE From The Woods 2019 - Lets hear stories and see some pictures!

[rob-c]

  On 10/23/2019 at 8:33 AM, Hock3y24 said:

In 24 hours my 7 year old and I will be heading to PA for the youth hunt! His first ever.

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Ohh, I hope you guys have success  . Best of luck. 

[rachunter]

46 degrees light west wind. Poured all night. Heading to the park for day four.
Good luck everyone


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[518BowSlayer]

did some light rattling yesterday morning and had a real nice 8 pointer come in real cautiously. 70 yards was the closest he got then circled around me up the hill and must have caught my wind from the rising thermals

[Swamp_bucks]

Saw 2 8s together and a spike on my way home from work this morning.

[squirrelwhisperer]

  On 10/23/2019 at 8:33 AM, Hock3y24 said:

In 24 hours my 7 year old and I will be heading to PA for the youth hunt! His first ever.

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Best of luck. Hope you are successful.

[Rebel Darling]

About 40 mins ago, as I was getting the boy ready for daycare, I saw two bucks browsing their way back to bedding. Seemed to be fine in one another’s company up here in 4L.


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[bhunterED]

  On 10/23/2019 at 8:33 AM, Hock3y24 said:

In 24 hours my 7 year old and I will be heading to PA for the youth hunt! His first ever.

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Awesome good luck and cherish it cause man the time flies by next thing you know he will be 18 and ready to start his own adventures.

[Cabin Fever]

Very slow morning. The white 3pt stopped by to grab a few acorns on his way back to bed, but that's been it.

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[Five Seasons]

  On 10/22/2019 at 11:19 PM, The_Real_TCIII said:

They sort of don’t. We should start a thread it’s a cool topic


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there absolutely is a no kill zone though. every deer target and text book illustrates it and countless hunters have experienced, otherwise it wouldn't matter how high the shot was. spine or lung would be lethal and it's just not the case. And to the pic that was posted, that appeared to be a fawn. Obviously the older and bigger the deer, the larger the gap.

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[HFBPA889]

Had a doe with 2 fawns browse past me at 745.  I see them every time I hunt this stand, which has been 3x.  Haven’t seen any bucks from this stand.  

[squirrelwhisperer]

Doe taste good!

[Cabin Fever]

Beautiful morning, but nothing moving other than squirrels.



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[The_Real_TCIII]

  On 10/23/2019 at 12:27 PM, Belo said:

there absolutely is a no kill zone though. every deer target and text book illustrates it and countless hunters have experienced, otherwise it wouldn't matter how high the shot was. spine or lung would be lethal and it's just not the case. And to the pic that was posted, that appeared to be a fawn. Obviously the older and bigger the deer, the larger the gap.

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There are a million threads on Bowsite, AT, etc about this and many have had thoracic surgeons chime in, its pretty fascinating. But the gist of it is "Yes lungs are somewhat free floating, however the chest is a vacuum system, isolated by the diaphram. You don't have to even hit the lungs to kill a deer, ruin this vacuum and the deer can't breath, the lungs won't fill with air, the chest cavity will."

 

If you hit below the spine that vacuum is gone and the lungs cant operate, the deer dies. The "void" is above the spine and its way more area than most anatomy illustrations show

[The_Real_TCIII]

Today is what I really look for in weather, clear and cool with rising pressure after a couple crappy days. Good luck to everyone out there!

[land 1]

the no kill zone is above the spine below spine gets artery or lung

[squirrelwhisperer]

Once I hit what I believe was a "no kill" zone. It was between the front and back legs, below the belly. My arrow was covered with leafy looking things. That was years ago, still looking for him. 

[The_Real_TCIII]

  On 10/23/2019 at 12:46 PM, squirrelwhisperer said:

Once I hit what I believe was a "no kill" zone. It was between the front and back legs, below the belly. My arrow was covered with leafy looking things. That was years ago, still looking for him. 

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Was there dirt on your broadhead? Ive hit there too...

[squirrelwhisperer]

  On 10/23/2019 at 1:22 PM, The_Real_TCIII said:

Was there dirt on your broadhead? Ive hit there too...

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Now that you mention it.....

[johnplav]

  On 10/23/2019 at 12:37 PM, The_Real_TCIII said:

There are a million threads on Bowsite, AT, etc about this and many have had thoracic surgeons chime in, its pretty fascinating. But the gist of it is "Yes lungs are somewhat free floating, however the chest is a vacuum system, isolated by the diaphram. You don't have to even hit the lungs to kill a deer, ruin this vacuum and the deer can't breath, the lungs won't fill with air, the chest cavity will."

 

If you hit below the spine that vacuum is gone and the lungs cant operate, the deer dies. The "void" is above the spine and its way more area than most anatomy illustrations show

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Yep... not to mention that high shots from a treestand may result in a single lung hit.  Deer can go unbelievably far on a one lung hit.  Often times with little or no blood.  Unfortunately... those are lethal hits. 

[Cabin Fever]

I'm punching out at 10:00 if I don't see anything. I thought it was gonna be a good morning for activity.

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[YFKI1983]

  On 10/23/2019 at 12:37 PM, The_Real_TCIII said:

There are a million threads on Bowsite, AT, etc about this and many have had thoracic surgeons chime in, its pretty fascinating. But the gist of it is "Yes lungs are somewhat free floating, however the chest is a vacuum system, isolated by the diaphram. You don't have to even hit the lungs to kill a deer, ruin this vacuum and the deer can't breath, the lungs won't fill with air, the chest cavity will."
 
If you hit below the spine that vacuum is gone and the lungs cant operate, the deer dies. The "void" is above the spine and its way more area than most anatomy illustrations show

Maybe the difference is just whether or not you can recover the deer when hitting that spot. I could see it with an arrow maybe but with how much trauma a rifle bullet causes it's hard for me to understand how a deer could survive it even without hitting the lung directly.



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[The_Real_TCIII]

  On 10/23/2019 at 1:39 PM, johnplav said:

Yep... not to mention that high shots from a treestand may result in a single lung hit.  Deer can go unbelievably far on a one lung hit.  Often times with little or no blood.  Unfortunately... those are lethal hits. 

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My buck was one lung and there was about zero blood trail. I gave him 5 hours and we found him dead in his bed. There wasnt even blood there, nor in his nose/mouth

[chrisw]

Live from the jet boat...

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[Five Seasons]

  On 10/23/2019 at 12:37 PM, The_Real_TCIII said:

There are a million threads on Bowsite, AT, etc about this and many have had thoracic surgeons chime in, its pretty fascinating. But the gist of it is "Yes lungs are somewhat free floating, however the chest is a vacuum system, isolated by the diaphram. You don't have to even hit the lungs to kill a deer, ruin this vacuum and the deer can't breath, the lungs won't fill with air, the chest cavity will."

 

If you hit below the spine that vacuum is gone and the lungs cant operate, the deer dies. The "void" is above the spine and its way more area than most anatomy illustrations show

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yeah idk. i guess we've both said our part. I don't recall ever seeing a void between the spine and hide when skinning the deer and know plenty of deer that have survived a single lung wound. I guess this is just another one of those controversial topics.

but i will agree with you, it's fascinating

[Five Seasons]

  On 10/23/2019 at 1:39 PM, johnplav said:

Yep... not to mention that high shots from a treestand may result in a single lung hit.  Deer can go unbelievably far on a one lung hit.  Often times with little or no blood.  Unfortunately... those are lethal hits. 

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not necessarily. a good mature healthy buck could survive a single lunger. still unlikely and almost certain to be a difficult to impossible recovery. but possible.

https://www.bowhuntingmag.com/editorial/tactics_bh_whitetail_0409/310895