Enigma

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Please help me understand this mindset because it's foreign to me and utterly baffling. For the simple purpose of killing a deer, not a buck, certainly not a "trophy", any deer, young, old, buck, doe and everything in between. What type of individual?

- Repeatedly trespasses and hunts on private land after being told directly not to do so . . . 
- Demonstrates complete disregard for game laws including poaching, bag limits and wanton waste . . .
- Has absolutely no respect for the rule of law and law enforcement but will without hesitation demand others do so at their convenience . . .
- Verbally threatens and harasses legal property owners about deer hunting . . . 


Yes. I understand. They are criminal slobs. In no way "hunters". i also realize a person could be entirely void of any ethic and moral obligation towards wildlife and by a long stretch, other people. But I fail to comprehend how a grown adult cannot grasp simple concepts like respect, direct discussion and reasoning. All for the opportunity to kill a deer. 

My current deer hunting related issue at the moment and  looking for input. Many thanks!

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I consider it a privilege to be able to hunt, anytime and without restriction, 200+ contiguous acres of private land in 6s. All seasons any species. Been doing so since 2004. There are 6, yes 6, different property owners that own various parcels that make up this area. I have very good relationships w all of them, am proactive in maintaining contact and try very hard to minimize any issues that may disturb or upset them w regard to hunting. I have written, signed papers from ALL of them that grant me authority to manage access to the properties for hunting purposes. Not technically leases, but written agreements. 

I've dealt w the occasional bum hunting here and there where they aren't allowed and it usually ends w me telling them dont come back. But times change, owners come and go and new people are are always trying to gain access to deer hunt. Please understand that I do not own the properties and am not in anyway opposed to others hunting there - with the blessing of one of the owners. 

At this time i have a court order, in conjunction w several of the owners, ordering an individual to cease and desist tresspassing and an order of protection against the same person on behalf of another owner. Law enforcement is aware of these orders but is not interested in actually enforcing them. 

I'm at a loss at this point. I've spent two years attempting to legally end this debacle in addition to cash money outlays, all to no avail. 

Frustrated, very frustrated. 

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And if the if there a protection order in effect the person protected  it covers but not you and there are several  types of protection orders  its all in the wording, just saying.  sounds like a cluster tuff spot to be in

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sounds like someone who is an extreme libertarian and believes the government doesn't and shouldn't control land access and the creatures that live on it.


"Ethical behavior is doing the right thing when no one else is watching, even when the wrong thing is legal"

-Aldo Leopold 

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2 hours ago, Belo said:

sounds like someone who is an extreme libertarian and believes the government doesn't and shouldn't control land access and the creatures that live on it.

Not a libertarian if he's harassing and encroaching on another person.

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I wonder what his relationship with local law enforcement is. Seems if he is getting away with blatantly breaking the law he has to have an "in" somehow. 

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Last year, this person was arrested for trespassing by one of the landowners. I was present when he was escorted away in the patrol car. He never answered the summons and failed to appear. Was told by LE then that the case was still active and they were looking for him. End of the season I again find him back on private property and immediately called LE. He ran off before they arrived. Provided cam pics of the person to LE clearly showing his face and activities. Subsequent calls and follow ups on our part to LE never moved the issue forward. Not entirely sure if a warrant was issued. LE never caught up w/ him as far as I know. I don't believe this person has a permanent local address. He just seems to appear and disappear throughout the year.

And right on time this year he's back! New pics on cam starting in Sept. and new stands/setups show up on landowner #2's property. Stands and equipment are confiscated by myself and landowner #2. LE is contacted and reports filed again. All equipment is turned over to LE. All concerned landowners are updated and informed that this person is back in the area.

Oct 1 rolls around and all hell breaks loose. I'm contacted by landowner #3, an elderly woman in her 70's, telling me a "hunter" stopped at her house, threatened her w physical harm if he didn't get his property back and proceeded to harass her about her "causing him problems". Scared to death she/we file and receive an order of protection against this person forbidding him from contacting her etc.

Landowner #4, a farmer, is accosted in his barn no less, by the same punk later in the week. No LE involved in this encounter as landowner #4 relates to this person how rural folk take care of business. Something to the effect of a large wood chipper, a manure spreader and they never found a trace of the last trespasser etc. etc. Not sure if he got the message but he ran away as per his MO.

Saturday 10.12, early evening I'm sitting home and hear a car horn in my driveway. UNFRICKINBELIEVABLY its our person of interest, higher than high, completely cocked up, screaming at me to "watch my back" when I'm in the woods, he "knows where I live" and other BS. You guessed it. LE arrives 15 min later and he's gone by then. Another police report, another statement by me etc. etc. LE is "actively searching for him" I was told during my most recent call a few days ago.

In a holding pattern at the moment. Most of the landowners are uneasy and certainly do not want this hassle about "hunters fighting" as I was told. No, I tried to explain, its not "hunters fighting" its a frickin criminal w no respect for the law harassing people. Bout ready to just throw in the towel and call it a day. I've exhausted my time and patience and any financial resources I could spare to clear this up and simply hunt in peace. Prolly be hunting the area this fall but making plans to move on or purchase my own property starting next year. I'll keep you posted. Southern zone opener 11.16 and I expect we'll have some drama then. Thanks for letting me vent!

 

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43 minutes ago, Enigma said:

Last year, this person was arrested for trespassing by one of the landowners. I was present when he was escorted away in the patrol car. He never answered the summons and failed to appear. Was told by LE then that the case was still active and they were looking for him. End of the season I again find him back on private property and immediately called LE. He ran off before they arrived. Provided cam pics of the person to LE clearly showing his face and activities. Subsequent calls and follow ups on our part to LE never moved the issue forward. Not entirely sure if a warrant was issued. LE never caught up w/ him as far as I know. I don't believe this person has a permanent local address. He just seems to appear and disappear throughout the year.

And right on time this year he's back! New pics on cam starting in Sept. and new stands/setups show up on landowner #2's property. Stands and equipment are confiscated by myself and landowner #2. LE is contacted and reports filed again. All equipment is turned over to LE. All concerned landowners are updated and informed that this person is back in the area.

Oct 1 rolls around and all hell breaks loose. I'm contacted by landowner #3, an elderly woman in her 70's, telling me a "hunter" stopped at her house, threatened her w physical harm if he didn't get his property back and proceeded to harass her about her "causing him problems". Scared to death she/we file and receive an order of protection against this person forbidding him from contacting her etc.

Landowner #4, a farmer, is accosted in his barn no less, by the same punk later in the week. No LE involved in this encounter as landowner #4 relates to this person how rural folk take care of business. Something to the effect of a large wood chipper, a manure spreader and they never found a trace of the last trespasser etc. etc. Not sure if he got the message but he ran away as per his MO.

Saturday 10.12, early evening I'm sitting home and hear a car horn in my driveway. UNFRICKINBELIEVABLY its our person of interest, higher than high, completely cocked up, screaming at me to "watch my back" when I'm in the woods, he "knows where I live" and other BS. You guessed it. LE arrives 15 min later and he's gone by then. Another police report, another statement by me etc. etc. LE is "actively searching for him" I was told during my most recent call a few days ago.

In a holding pattern at the moment. Most of the landowners are uneasy and certainly do not want this hassle about "hunters fighting" as I was told. No, I tried to explain, its not "hunters fighting" its a frickin criminal w no respect for the law harassing people. Bout ready to just throw in the towel and call it a day. I've exhausted my time and patience and any financial resources I could spare to clear this up and simply hunt in peace. Prolly be hunting the area this fall but making plans to move on or purchase my own property starting next year. I'll keep you posted. Southern zone opener 11.16 and I expect we'll have some drama then. Thanks for letting me vent!

 

Wow,i cant believe LE is dragging their asses on this. Sounds like an accident waiting to happen. Maybe you have to go up higher in the chain? Just because the dude doesn't have a permanent address shouldn't make it that hard to find him if the cops really wanted to. 

You should ask LE if you should shoot him in the leg next time you see him so they can catch up with him. Not really,but this sounds like the type of scenario that makes you doubt the point of following laws.

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1 hour ago, Enigma said:

Last year, this person was arrested for trespassing by one of the landowners. I was present when he was escorted away in the patrol car. He never answered the summons and failed to appear. Was told by LE then that the case was still active and they were looking for him. End of the season I again find him back on private property and immediately called LE. He ran off before they arrived. Provided cam pics of the person to LE clearly showing his face and activities. Subsequent calls and follow ups on our part to LE never moved the issue forward. Not entirely sure if a warrant was issued. LE never caught up w/ him as far as I know. I don't believe this person has a permanent local address. He just seems to appear and disappear throughout the year.

And right on time this year he's back! New pics on cam starting in Sept. and new stands/setups show up on landowner #2's property. Stands and equipment are confiscated by myself and landowner #2. LE is contacted and reports filed again. All equipment is turned over to LE. All concerned landowners are updated and informed that this person is back in the area.

Oct 1 rolls around and all hell breaks loose. I'm contacted by landowner #3, an elderly woman in her 70's, telling me a "hunter" stopped at her house, threatened her w physical harm if he didn't get his property back and proceeded to harass her about her "causing him problems". Scared to death she/we file and receive an order of protection against this person forbidding him from contacting her etc.

Landowner #4, a farmer, is accosted in his barn no less, by the same punk later in the week. No LE involved in this encounter as landowner #4 relates to this person how rural folk take care of business. Something to the effect of a large wood chipper, a manure spreader and they never found a trace of the last trespasser etc. etc. Not sure if he got the message but he ran away as per his MO.

Saturday 10.12, early evening I'm sitting home and hear a car horn in my driveway. UNFRICKINBELIEVABLY its our person of interest, higher than high, completely cocked up, screaming at me to "watch my back" when I'm in the woods, he "knows where I live" and other BS. You guessed it. LE arrives 15 min later and he's gone by then. Another police report, another statement by me etc. etc. LE is "actively searching for him" I was told during my most recent call a few days ago.

In a holding pattern at the moment. Most of the landowners are uneasy and certainly do not want this hassle about "hunters fighting" as I was told. No, I tried to explain, its not "hunters fighting" its a frickin criminal w no respect for the law harassing people. Bout ready to just throw in the towel and call it a day. I've exhausted my time and patience and any financial resources I could spare to clear this up and simply hunt in peace. Prolly be hunting the area this fall but making plans to move on or purchase my own property starting next year. I'll keep you posted. Southern zone opener 11.16 and I expect we'll have some drama then. Thanks for letting me vent!

 

Wow, just wow!

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